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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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snowmichael · 02/07/2025 10:30

Tapoopoo · 02/07/2025 07:25

I am soooo disappointed by their crapness. At least with the Conservatives they were honest aboit being lying scum and didnt try to hide the fact that they were lining their own pockets.

But yes "Rachel from accounts" is misogynist. You didnt get "Rishi from accounts" or "Kwasi from accounts" (admittedly he wasnt there long enough to get any sort of nickname) or "Jez from accounts".

> You didnt get "Rishi from accounts" or "Kwasi from accounts" (admittedly he wasnt there long enough to get any sort of nickname) or "Jez from accounts".

That's because none of them were literally from accounts
And learn what an apostrophe is and what it's for

GoodbyeRosie · 02/07/2025 10:29

I see middle class Mumsnet has got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning..

Jennps · 02/07/2025 10:29

The rot started in 1997 when nu Labour got in. They opened the borders and killed off what was left of industry as well as dumbing down education. Not single decision that stood the test of time.
Start of uncontrolled mass immigration, devaluing degrees and graduate wages forcing everyone into university for pointless degrees, wage suppression through creating a massive welfare handout state by subsidizing low wages with tax credits, selling off the nation’s gold before gold prices sky rocketed, and just to top it off, destabilising the Iraq and Syria and engaging in war crimes.

Then came ‘Call me Dave’, a guy you would lot pay to clean out your shed, let alone run the country. Didn’t make a single good decision to grow the country.

‘Maybot’ took it up a notch by making a hash of Brexit over 3 long years and as if that wasn’t enough, wrote net 0 into legislation without any debate, condemning the country to permanent extortionate energy prices and killing off what left of manufacturing industry including steel.

Johnson was an absolute unmitigated disaster, letting in a million people a year, mostly unskilled migrants who are not even net contributors. Not to mention rampant corruption and stealing taxes to give to his Covid cronies. Two decades of shit leadership had finally taken its toll and.

Truss, the woman who was right about supply side reforms but had no clue how to make it happen. Through her incompetence, she even killed the credibility of the idea even though supply side reforms are exactly what this country needs to growth.

Rishi was frankly pointless. Having borrowed and printed a trillion pounds to pay for Covid corruption, leaving the country with nearly 20% inflation, he decided to bullshit his way through the next 2 years.

And now we have Two Tier. A man, who if x rayed, would turn out to be missing a spine. Who lives by the values of ‘if you don’t like my principles, I have these other ones’. Flanked by an entourage of comedians:

Rachel from accounts, who, when she’s not plagiarizing other people’s work or lying on her cv, is being accused of fiddling expenses at her previous employer and bunking off work. That’s who we have in charge of the nations finances.

Angela ‘I’d rather be scrapping outside the pub’ Rayner showing that no bar is low enough if you want to be in government.

David Lamey whose single brain cell is so lonely, it needs therapy.

Bridget Phillipson, a face that only a mother could employ. That, too, in a charity run by said parent. And this is who is in charge of educating the next generation.

Jonathan Reynolds, another alumni from ‘Rachel from accounts’ school of liars. He lied about having been a lawyer.

Yvette Cooper, like Diane Abbott when she was the shadow Home Secretary, with a minor saving grace that she can put her shoes on the right way around.

Louise ‘phones4me’ Haigh, running transport until someone realized that giving someone like that a portfolio with billions might look bad.

Red Miliband, who is killing off industry and letting every costs run away even more, so that his ‘green’ cronies can cash in.

Lucy ‘oi you’re racist’ Powell. Don’t mention grooming gangs at all in front of our enlightened culture secretary. She will call you a racist. She thinks calling out rape is dog whistle politics.

Lord Hermer, who as, attorney general, makes it his life’s mission to fight for terrorists to make sure that they can never be deported. Loves uncontrolled immigration. And generally doesn’t give two hoots about about anything other than protecting wrong ‘uns.

Basically this cohort of morons has been destroying this country for 27 years. This government, though, gives the term ‘shower of shite’ a whole new meaning.

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Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 10:28

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 10:08

That’s good as Labour are doing a good job at putting in policies to damage business and investment.

NI policy for a start.

@EasternStandard NI increase has not been popular - agreed. It has been done before though to much less furore.
Employer NI contribution was 11% in 2007; 12.8% in 2013; 13.8% in 2019 and then there’s this new increase in 2024. However Employee contribution has decreased since 2024. Labour trying to put more money back in the hands of the workforce maybe?

The Employer NI increase has stung this time more than others for all the reasons outlined on this thread but I come back to the point that there are many many benefits to being based in the Uk as a business.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:28

The same is happening with the benefits overhaul. They can’t get anything done - why? Because they have a cabinet and party full of dimwits that wouldn’t know one end of a fiscal forecast from the other.

We are absolutely screwed.
I am not a pessimist but seriously fear for the future.

The bond markets will just stop lending and then people are going to see real trouble on the horizon.

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 10:28

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:14

The UK designed and invented the human rights used in the EU today! FFS this is just unforgivable the way this is peddled out. We do not need the ECHR!!

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If we did write so much of the current legislation, which is true we did play a big part in 1950 and then again by siging it into domestic law in 1998 Human Rights Act, why is it such a big deal to leave the ECHR, if it's believed that we played such a big part and adopted this into law?

What changes if we leave? Surely the UK will still be bound by these laws and rules, or would you be happy to pick and choose, not only the laws we want to adopt, but also which ones we apply to a specific demographic? This is where the ECHR comes into play.

Since 1959, the ECHR has only ruled against the UK in one-third of all cases brought to it, meaning the UK has won approximately 600+ of these cases.

Shambles123 · 02/07/2025 10:27

The Tories had to go but I actually think we would be in a more stable position now with Rishi and Hunt at the helm than the current crackpots in charge.

Gutted Rach from customer services is the first female chancellor, what a let down of a wait!

snowmichael · 02/07/2025 10:27

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:55

And it just gets worse. Not only are individually wealthy top rate taxpayers leaving. Businesses are leaving too.

Exxon pulled out of the UK yesterday because of Red Ed’s crazy obsession with killing our oil industry. We already have the highest energy costs in the world, it only gets worse. And not Astra Zeneca are reportedly looking to move from London stock exchange to New York.

This country is a disaster. Wonder if the ‘eat the rich’ crowd have any ideas on how their freebies will be paid for.

> We already have the highest energy costs in the world
Ireland is higher for variable rate household energy consumers, and MUCH higher for businesses
In parts of the US, it's also a lot higher

Littlebutloud · 02/07/2025 10:27

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:55

And it just gets worse. Not only are individually wealthy top rate taxpayers leaving. Businesses are leaving too.

Exxon pulled out of the UK yesterday because of Red Ed’s crazy obsession with killing our oil industry. We already have the highest energy costs in the world, it only gets worse. And not Astra Zeneca are reportedly looking to move from London stock exchange to New York.

This country is a disaster. Wonder if the ‘eat the rich’ crowd have any ideas on how their freebies will be paid for.

cab you send the link to Exxon leaving the UK? And the official stats of wealthy individuals leaving?

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:26

"Labour scored an own goal with the winter fuel fiasco"

Yes - they shouldn't have reneged on the loss of winter fuel allowance. They should have stuck with it.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:26

User135644 · 02/07/2025 10:25

And the sheer number of low skilled migrants arriving, who will need benefits.

Yes that Labour are doing absolutely fuck all about except removing laws around being homeless. You really couldn’t make this up.

snowmichael · 02/07/2025 10:25

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

While I agree with much of what you say "the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low" is one point I'm not so sure about
These people had the guts to stand up against a manifestly unfair proposal that would hurt their constituents
They initially stood up when there was no chance of the changes being reversed, harming their future political prospects (Starmer was known to be very vindictive to people who disagree with him publicly in his time as DPP)
They might have the principles, backbone, and concern for the people who need their MP to look out for them, to make good future leaders

User135644 · 02/07/2025 10:25

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:09

It’s embarrassing how many people still speak of ‘austerity’ as if they are not aware that this is it - there isn’t going to be an ‘end to austerity’
The fiscal position of this country is precarious.

Ifs like they are choosing to live collectively in denial.

Those that say this always happens to Labour governments haven’t looked at the sheer numbers of people and companies that ARE leaving!

And the sheer number of low skilled migrants arriving, who will need benefits.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:24

BTW - the main reason the NHS is struggling is because it's overwhelmed by the health needs of a rapidly ageing population. There are now nearly double the percentage of people over the age of 65 in the population than there was in 1950 when the NHS was created. Many of these people have chronic health conditions. For all the whining about immigrants burdening the NHS, white, British born people over retirement age are far and away the most intensive users of the service.

All developed countries were aware of these changing demographic patterns and the increasing costs created by the broadening scope of medical and pharmaceutical technology, so most countries have been increasing the proportion of their GDP spent on healthcare year on year. That's what Blair's government did for years under New Labour. It's why the peak rate of satisfaction with NHS healthcare was in 2010, after years of increasing investment.

And then Cameron's government chose to cut the rate of increase of funding, so it no longer kept pace with growing needs caused by demographics etc. Also pushed through austerity changes that damaged public health generally. Cue falling satisfaction with NHS and a decline in the quality of healthcare service in many areas of medicine.

I suspect lots of people on this thread now frothing about Labour's performance in office voted Conservative and have been going about repeating the 'Conservatives spent more on the NHS than any other government in history!' line that has been wheeled out to disguise the truth about how they mismanaged and damaged public services over the 14 years of their government.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:16

Recession and mass unemployment will be next…

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 10:15

Hesperatum · 02/07/2025 10:12

Have people forgotten how the Conservatives wrecked the country? This is a pattern oft repeated. Conservatives squirrel money away to their cronies and let public services rot. Labour comes in and try to rebuild those services and help those less well paid. The public rage that things are not happening quickly enough and the Conservatives, promising the earth, are re-elected. Labour scored an own goal with the winter fuel fiasco - really did not think this through. I am no particular fan of Keir Starmer but I think he’s basically a decent man, who’s stuck between a rock and a hard place with both sides of his party vying to be heard and causing mayhem. The alternative seems to be Farage (god help us) or whoever leads the Conservatives at the next election.

Their NI policies are a big factor. They cause a reduction in growth and lower receipts.

Which means cuts. They they find hard to get through.

They’re creating their own cycle, anti growth to cuts / taxes or borrowing.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:14

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 02/07/2025 10:13

Actually no words.
I quite like the fact we have human rights, ta.
Edited to say we as in people as a whole. Not just who you think should have them, and pick and choose who is entitled to them.
Slippery slope if people get to decide that.

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The UK designed and invented the human rights used in the EU today! FFS this is just unforgivable the way this is peddled out. We do not need the ECHR!!

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 02/07/2025 10:13

User135644 · 02/07/2025 09:08

Fuck the ECHR and the criminals they protect.

Actually no words.
I quite like the fact we have human rights, ta.
Edited to say we as in people as a whole. Not just who you think should have them, and pick and choose who is entitled to them.
Slippery slope if people get to decide that.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 02/07/2025 10:12

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 10:05

The problem is there is no money. The country is all but bankrupt. When the cupboard is bare families are on the bones if their arse and it's the same for the UK.

It's demographics and structural - and any government coming in was going to be facing massive problems - and yes that was shouted down on here in election time.

I'm in Wales over 20 + years of Labour and most things are working worse than in England and endless excuses about why - some valid some not.

I'd quite like Labour to stay in next Senedd election due to student uni funding - but I suspect they've run out of time and electoral patience polls this far out aren't accurate but they do show Labour in trouble here.

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 10:12

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 09:51

No need to be a snob. Do you think you are more educated than anyone else?

My point was that 1998 is a long time ago and 27 years later the ECHR are making very different decisions in a very different world. Immigration increased exponentially from 1997 onwards kicked off by Tony Blair. The wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan had not yet happened.

Edited

Far far from it, I left school at 16, grew up on a rough arse council estate. But I know how to read; I'm what you'd call an autodidact. I can find interest in most subjects and can argue for either side. Today is the freedom that people want to have, but are willing to deny others. Cake and eat it; it just doesn't work. We're either all in or all out. Seeing what happens in other countries, I'd rather be all in.

If your point was that a ruling from 1998 was a long time ago, say that.rather than a 'witty' comment. I mean, we still have case law being used from the 1800s, but if that's a point you want to argue, I'm all for it.

Today is a very different world from it was 30 years ago, much like it was even 5 years ago, pre-Ukraine-Russia.

I genuinely don't believe that we will leave the ECHR, even if Reform wins the next general election.

Hesperatum · 02/07/2025 10:12

Have people forgotten how the Conservatives wrecked the country? This is a pattern oft repeated. Conservatives squirrel money away to their cronies and let public services rot. Labour comes in and try to rebuild those services and help those less well paid. The public rage that things are not happening quickly enough and the Conservatives, promising the earth, are re-elected. Labour scored an own goal with the winter fuel fiasco - really did not think this through. I am no particular fan of Keir Starmer but I think he’s basically a decent man, who’s stuck between a rock and a hard place with both sides of his party vying to be heard and causing mayhem. The alternative seems to be Farage (god help us) or whoever leads the Conservatives at the next election.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:09

It’s embarrassing how many people still speak of ‘austerity’ as if they are not aware that this is it - there isn’t going to be an ‘end to austerity’
The fiscal position of this country is precarious.

Ifs like they are choosing to live collectively in denial.

Those that say this always happens to Labour governments haven’t looked at the sheer numbers of people and companies that ARE leaving!

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 10:08

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 10:03

There’s always this howl of fear and panic when there’s a Labour Government And specific companies and individuals move overseas.
It doesn’t alter the fact that the U.K. is in a great time zone for business; has a good education system/ good workforce; temperate climate; few natural disasters and of course people speak English.
These basic but important fundamentals bring businesses back here and ensure we stay relevant.

That’s good as Labour are doing a good job at putting in policies to damage business and investment.

NI policy for a start.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:08

"The rules brought in to help refugees after WWII are no longer relevant."

Why?

There's a genocide currently taking place in Palestine. There have been many genocides and terrible oppression happening in countries around the world since WW2. The vast majority of people fleeing cruelty and oppression have sought refuge in neighbouring countries, and we've been pretty protected from the fall out in the global north. Wonder why you think this is an issue we no longer need to deal with?

"The NHS is in disarray, it’s so far removed from the original inception, trying to solve societal issues on top of actual health problems, that it’s letting many seriously ill people down"

The NHS isn't by and large 'trying to solve social problems'. It's dealing with the health fallout of rising health inequality and the social stress caused by 14 years of austerity.

"There is a lack of affordable housing" - correct, but unfortunately the people making the most noise about this are often the people who supported the policy of selling off and not replacing social housing, and also homeowners who are most invested in upholding planning barriers to new housing being built.

'little mental health support," - actually vast numbers of people are now accessing counselling, psychiatric medication and psychotherapy through the NHS, far, far more than ever before. The real problem is in the lack of access to safe and appropriate care for those people with severe mental illness and addiction. No surprise - these services suffered most under austerity in the early years of the previous decade.

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 10:07

KimberleyClark · 02/07/2025 09:30

And a year is not very long to undo 15 years of Tory misrule.

It's long enough to show you aren't up to the job though.