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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:49

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:29

The Labour have form for crashing the economy without exception, why are you resorting to lying?

When?

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:48

PrissyGalore · 02/07/2025 11:46

I agree with the housing cost comments. I grew up on a council estate. We had secure low cost housing which was spacious and well planned. Hell, it was even decided that even pretty villages needed council housing too-that working class people could live somewhere nice. Council housing was designed to be mixed-not just for the poorest. And it was reasonable. Imagine how much more growth and how more productive our country would be if people didn’t need such vast amounts to service somewhere to live. And how much happier we would be.

I think property is a massive issue. It now absorbs a huge percentage of wages for the younger working population.

I hate how our society has become structured to favour the rich and the old. It is incredibly parasitic in terms of supporting asset prices. Young people are saddled with debt. We are failing them in the UK. We must change it or we will be a stagnant economy and a very divided society.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:48

@EasternStandard

"Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact."

Maybe like you can't see the impact on public health and productivity of 15 years of ideologically driven Tory austerity.

Fringle · 02/07/2025 11:48

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:47

I've got a few words for you. Boris Johnson. Dominic Cummings. Liz Truss.

Tell us again how crap Labour are?

Crapper than any of them.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:48

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:43

Where does the economy typically end up as Labour are voted out? In the 70s and last time

Do you want a swing further to the left? If so do you think we’ll last economically with that

There’s a lovely little bar chart I’ve just posted that answers your question.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:47

TallestSkyscrapers · 02/07/2025 11:22

I hate it when people talk about bots and shills. It happens on every side. During the vat on school fees discussions, people who disagreed, were accused of being Tory bots. It is all so tiresome.

So every time I see - anywhere on social media, not just on here - the exact same phrases being used, often finished with the capitalised enjoinder to "VOTE REFORM!!!" it's pure coincidence is it?

Right you are. Sounds plausible.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:47

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:44

Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact.

I've got a few words for you. Boris Johnson. Dominic Cummings. Liz Truss.

Tell us again how crap Labour are?

DrowningInSyrup · 02/07/2025 11:46

DeafLeppard · 02/07/2025 07:02

We get the government we deserve, but I still think Labour are the least worst option and this thread is yet another rabble rousing attempt.

Agreed. The other options are quite terrifying.

PrissyGalore · 02/07/2025 11:46

I agree with the housing cost comments. I grew up on a council estate. We had secure low cost housing which was spacious and well planned. Hell, it was even decided that even pretty villages needed council housing too-that working class people could live somewhere nice. Council housing was designed to be mixed-not just for the poorest. And it was reasonable. Imagine how much more growth and how more productive our country would be if people didn’t need such vast amounts to service somewhere to live. And how much happier we would be.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:45

@Blossomtoes

"They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun."

That's a lie.

Economies around the world were devastated by the financial crash. In 1997 Labour inherited a big budget deficit. Within a decade they'd reduced both the structural budget deficit and the debt burden.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:44

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:43

I doubt that. We already spent all the money we didn’t have during COVID. The fact we’ve got nothing is largely down to the Conservative Party..

Still unedifying to see Labour advance a cuts bill and in effect lose. It means that taxes must rise in the Autumn, and on assets. Every single thing Reeves has advanced as a cut has failed. I know the job is tough, but where is the realism? Scrabbling around for a few million when the interest on government debt is 109 billion (thanks Liz for kick starting that increase off) is mad. Cuts are inevitable, unless you want very serious tax increases.

Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:43

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:40

@EasternStandard

You're not going to respond to me pointing out the fact that for 35 years the economy has done better under Labour than under the Conservatives?

Or that the 'loony,' ideologically driven policy of mass privatisation of our social housing stock has created a poisonous legacy for vast numbers of families today and is damaging our economy?

We have historically pretty low unemployment rates. Why is it that only people over 50 have any disposable income? Because younger people are spending such a stupid percentage of their earnings on housing costs.

Where does the economy typically end up as Labour are voted out? In the 70s and last time

Do you want a swing further to the left? If so do you think we’ll last economically with that

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:43

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:16

The elephant in the room is the malignancy of the far left still very very much present in the party (looking at you Ange) biding their time - then they will sink the whole country in one fail swoop when the timing is right. It’s been in the pipeline with union backing for decades that I know of.

The public will squeal with dismay as they flatten all growth, productivity and ambition. Steam roll over education, aspiration and innovation. We will be no better than communist China in the bad days before they used torture and AI to force the nation into compliance. The levelling up, really means levelling down and our poor children saddled with the dire consequences.

Anyone that can not see this car crash in slow motion is really living in a distorted dystopia of ill founded hope. The shit is going to hit the fan, and it’s coming sooner than you think.

Edited

You think Rayner is far left?

😂😂😂 Thanks for the laugh anyway. Do terms just mean whatever we say they do these days?

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:43

I doubt that. We already spent all the money we didn’t have during COVID. The fact we’ve got nothing is largely down to the Conservative Party..

Still unedifying to see Labour advance a cuts bill and in effect lose. It means that taxes must rise in the Autumn, and on assets. Every single thing Reeves has advanced as a cut has failed. I know the job is tough, but where is the realism? Scrabbling around for a few million when the interest on government debt is 109 billion (thanks Liz for kick starting that increase off) is mad. Cuts are inevitable, unless you want very serious tax increases.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:42

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:40

@EasternStandard

You're not going to respond to me pointing out the fact that for 35 years the economy has done better under Labour than under the Conservatives?

Or that the 'loony,' ideologically driven policy of mass privatisation of our social housing stock has created a poisonous legacy for vast numbers of families today and is damaging our economy?

We have historically pretty low unemployment rates. Why is it that only people over 50 have any disposable income? Because younger people are spending such a stupid percentage of their earnings on housing costs.

Far too sane and rooted in logic for the average Tory supporter on here.

ColinOfficeTrolley · 02/07/2025 11:42

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 06:59

"Thick as mince". Great quote by Dominic Cummings who you presumably admire.

I see nothing wrong in a nickname. Are we supposed to respect this travesty of a PM? Two Tier Keir very neatly sums up his approach to many issues in this country, mainly due to.his warped ideology.

Hilarious that you think Dominic Cummings coined this phrase.

And no, I do not admire the slimy little toad at all.

Wrong on both counts!

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:40

@EasternStandard

You're not going to respond to me pointing out the fact that for 35 years the economy has done better under Labour than under the Conservatives?

Or that the 'loony,' ideologically driven policy of mass privatisation of our social housing stock has created a poisonous legacy for vast numbers of families today and is damaging our economy?

We have historically pretty low unemployment rates. Why is it that only people over 50 have any disposable income? Because younger people are spending such a stupid percentage of their earnings on housing costs.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:40

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:37

They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun.

Edited

They hadn’t. Look what happened when Cameron came to power.

Two Tier’s days are numbered
EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:38

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:37

They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun.

Edited

Labour supporters probably will say it’s not happening.

Agree on no resilience plus over exposure to risk for last crash.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:38

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

I'm not a huge fan of him, but he's steady, stable and competent. The only leader that fits that criteria we've had for years.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:37

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:35

Why are you? The last time the economy crashed under a Labour government was when every economy in the world did the same simultaneously.

They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:35

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:29

The Labour have form for crashing the economy without exception, why are you resorting to lying?

Why are you? The last time the economy crashed under a Labour government was when every economy in the world did the same simultaneously.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:34

Buckle up for the winter folks.

SatsumaDog · 02/07/2025 11:34

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

This is my fear. I can’t stand Starmer, but the alternative is terrifying.

TallestSkyscrapers · 02/07/2025 11:32

I know it’s irrational and probably unimportant, but I would make it illegal
to refer to politicians by their first names. It makes me cringe so much. These are not my friends and I am not on first name terms with them.