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To disagree with Phillipson's Have More Children advice

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JustASmallBear · 30/06/2025 22:33

In various newspapers.

Bridget Phillipson is urging young people to have more children in order to try and reverse the inevitable population shrinkage from a falling birth rate.

AIBU to think at best this is short termism at its finest?

Apart from anything else, young people struggle to buy a home, let alone can afford the expense of having more kids.

I think Phillipson is deluded in believing anyone wants more children when it'll make their lives more financially difficult.

What are the incentives that will make this irresistible?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/30/falling-birthrate-bridget-phillipson-education-secretary-labour?CMP=share_btn_url

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fanmepls · 01/07/2025 09:59

Like others have said this pretence of economic immigration being a problem is a problem in itself because we need immigration to sustain our economic model.

immigration isn't going anywhere, why do people think the Tories didn't do anything about it. Do people think we will abandon capitalism?

fanmepls · 01/07/2025 09:54

Why have the opposite anyway. It’ll be mass unemployment in a couple of generations.

Plus struggles over resources

You think an ageing population will help with that? 😆

JustASmallBear · 01/07/2025 09:53

Even in Sweden which has some of the best child friendly policies in the world the population is in decline. Both their birth rate and net in migration are falling.

Like others have said this pretence of economic immigration being a problem is a problem in itself because we need immigration to sustain our economic model.

Personally I think it's time to change the model but our government in particular will never do that. It's too big a job and requires longterm thinking and planning, not bringing any old thing out within a five year term, only to have the other side change it all up.

For those saying what Phillipson has said is just a comment about young women having more children if they choose to, it's fairly obvious just by looking at our demographic trends that the government wants an increase in the birth rate.

They won't get it, but it won't be their problem in 5 or 10 years, so they don't have to spend too much time dwelling on it.

They're naive to think that more nursery places will incentivise women to have more, as the places (if they ever come to exist since nurseries have problems as it is) will only go somewhere way to mitigate the existing shortfall.

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User37482 · 01/07/2025 09:40

I do actually think theres just more other stuff to do now. I could probably afford a more few kids but I would have to look after them, I would have very little time for my own interests. Doesn’t seem attractive as an option tbh and I love mine to death.

Personal fulfilment for some women is going to be about their families but for a lot of women it’s just not enough tbh. I can’t be content spending every waking hour caring for a brood of kids for a couple of decades. I’d be miserable, even if I loved them more than anything else in the world. I need time to read and exercise to be happy. I don’t want to be constantly making trade offs around “can I afford this or that”. It’s not even the money, it’s the time.

Jennps · 01/07/2025 09:33

Don’t know about anything else, but how a woman who has never had a real job, that was employable only by her own mother, and in a family charity at that, is now in charge of education for a generation that is the future of the country is terrifying.

You can literally see the cogs moving when she speaks.

KimberleyClark · 01/07/2025 09:28

NeedZzzzzssss · 01/07/2025 07:48

Perhaps controversial, but I wonder if some of these women feel like this because they haven't had the choice. I know plenty of women who assumed they wanted to have children and then decided they're actually quite happy with their lives as they are.

This. I wanted children but my body refused to cooperate. Now in my 60s and retired with no money worries and no caring responsibilities, I like my life just fine as it is.

vincettenoir · 01/07/2025 09:27

Society would need to shift a lot to make having more children desirable. Affordable housing and less dickheads OLD would help a lot. But those are very difficult issues to tackle.

User37482 · 01/07/2025 09:26

KirriIrry · 01/07/2025 09:24

No government cares about us raising kind, caring children who can go on to live happy and fulfilling lives - they care about numbers and money. If they did, they’d be investing in education and healthcare and any number of other things that address the sort of societal issues that we are all raising on this thread, rather than running it all into the ground and then forking out millions sorting out the resulting issues. What they do now is someone else’s problem later, not theirs. We see it long term, they see it in 5 year chunks. We see life, they see career progression and legacy. And that’s the problem.

Well yes, because thats how we pay for things like health, education, defence, roads. We need an economically useful population, what we currently have is an ageing population and lots of dependency. It’s not sustainable. The money doesn’t come out of thin air.

KirriIrry · 01/07/2025 09:24

No government cares about us raising kind, caring children who can go on to live happy and fulfilling lives - they care about numbers and money. If they did, they’d be investing in education and healthcare and any number of other things that address the sort of societal issues that we are all raising on this thread, rather than running it all into the ground and then forking out millions sorting out the resulting issues. What they do now is someone else’s problem later, not theirs. We see it long term, they see it in 5 year chunks. We see life, they see career progression and legacy. And that’s the problem.

User37482 · 01/07/2025 09:20

Sdpbody · 01/07/2025 09:02

Ultimately, they need to:

Scrap the tax cliff edge of £100k.
Child benefit to everyone regardless of salary.
30 hours for all parents regardless of salary.
Much cheaper school holiday care.
Government subsidised maternity leave for 12 months.

We need working, middle/high earners to be having children, as they are going to produce working and middle/high earners.

Yup, should be making it easier for employed people to have kids tbh. If you grow up in a workless household you are more likely to be workless so theres no real financial incentive to prop up the birthrates of unemployed people.

User37482 · 01/07/2025 09:18

mids2019 · 01/07/2025 05:48

I am in a highly diverse city and there is no problem with the Muslim birth rate or family size. Bridget is aiming this at the white middle class who see all the economic and time restrictions of children but don't necessarily have a patriarchal religion driving them on......

The majority of Muslim women don’t work which probably explains it.

EasternStandard · 01/07/2025 09:09

fanmepls · 01/07/2025 09:07

No country has managed to reverse population decline even with incentives.

It's too late for us anyway.

Why have the opposite anyway. It’ll be mass unemployment in a couple of generations.

Plus struggles over resources.

fanmepls · 01/07/2025 09:07

No country has managed to reverse population decline even with incentives.

It's too late for us anyway.

Sdpbody · 01/07/2025 09:02

Ultimately, they need to:

Scrap the tax cliff edge of £100k.
Child benefit to everyone regardless of salary.
30 hours for all parents regardless of salary.
Much cheaper school holiday care.
Government subsidised maternity leave for 12 months.

We need working, middle/high earners to be having children, as they are going to produce working and middle/high earners.

IcantDoThisHG · 01/07/2025 08:54

Maybe they should increase child benefit then and get rid of the 2 child UC child element limit?

1apenny2apenny · 01/07/2025 08:52

I don’t understand this push to have children because of population decline and who is going to fund the elderly care. It just doesn’t stack up because it seems logical to me that we need to break this cycle and start to reduce population. Surely the only was it would work if the children people have are healthy, able to work and support themselves. We currently have a population where disability is increasing requiring ever more support, people not working (in many cases as there is no incentive to) and people seemingly unwilling or unable to take any responsibility for themselves.

Just everyone having more children surely will be in the same pattern as the current population trends whuch us not what is needed at all. Smaller population is much more manageable.

MeringueOutang · 01/07/2025 08:50

I wanted more children when I had my second a few years ago but I knew I was at capacity and couldn't take on any more. I love them to pieces but now I wish I hadn't had any, because I get more and more worried each day with how much worse everything will be when they grow up and what life they will have. Until the govts of the world fix stuff and make it work properly, I can't see that changing tbh. For me, it's not even about nurseries or income or things like that anymore, it's about bringing sentient beings into a world where it's going to be increasingly difficult for them to live a fulfilling and happy life.

godmum56 · 01/07/2025 08:48

bookworm14 · 01/07/2025 08:11

I think her comments have been misinterpreted. She says she wants people to have more children ‘if they so choose’, ie she wants to make it easier for people, not force them. Which seems fairly uncontroversial.

well she isn't going to say "women of England you MUST have more kids" is she?

Alexandra2001 · 01/07/2025 08:39

edwinbear · 30/06/2025 22:57

She’s even more deluded than I thought if she thinks a few more nurseries are going to solve the low birth rate problem. People need big enough houses (or even a house full stop), children need food, clothes, books and toys, enough spare cash to pay for a weekly football/music/ballet lesson. Parents need to not be working multiple jobs so they have time to spend with their DC. Kids need access to a GP and a dentist, and a choice of good quality schools. Ideally access to affordable university if they want to go and decent jobs as adults. I have DC of 13 & 16 bit if I was younger, I don’t think I would choose to have children now - it’s all far too bleak & miserable.

Perhaps read the article and what she actually said?

Very reasonable, all she is hoping for that those who want to have children but feel unable too, can in the future have them.

But any reason to twist & bash anything this Govt does or says .....

ScrambledSmegs · 01/07/2025 08:37

The number of entry-level graduate jobs has fallen drastically since the advent of AI. All these children the government wants us to have just to care for an aging population and do the menial jobs AI can’t do (yet) -well screw that. Haven’t they worked out that people want better lives for their children, not worse?

I’ve got two kids and it’s a real worry.

LegoNinjago · 01/07/2025 08:31

TizerorFizz · 01/07/2025 08:24

@LegoNinjagoWhats that got to do with families and dc?

Critical thinking is clearly not your strongest side

frozendaisy · 01/07/2025 08:30

And it was the boomer generation who raised the men right now some of whom are entitled arseholes, who think domestic work is woman’s work, who think they should keep all their money, do fuck all in the house, not marry but expect wife privileges, have kids and let the “misses” look after them.

So you could say that parenting technique wasn’t great.

Admittingly Gen X have also raised some of the incel lot. We are Gen X. And have boys. And think oh my god how do we do this!

So time will tell how the millennials get it wrong, and they will, in some ways.

Who you have children with is more important than how many.

There are so many wonderful experiences having children, ours are worth the money, we are happier, calmer adults, they bring us laughter each day, they are mid teens now and work at school, cause no trouble, are funny, run errands, do chores, have interesting virewpoints, give us a connection to the future, it is a pleasure and privilege to watch them grow. They have given us a many great memories as a family, the are the main reason for our drive and success. I think, whilst we wouldn’t demand n caring duties, they would advocate fr us if we need it as we get older. Our lives are much better with them. But I had children with a loyal, kind, devoted, strong, loving, funny, caring partner. I didn’t have a burning desire to have or not have a child or two, but together with H it continues to be the best thing we have ever done. I wouldn’t have had kids with just “anyone”.

The theatre shows, days out, amount of swimming, holidays, building sandcastles, fairground rides, swings, basketball hoops, paintings, baking, fancy dress making, bike riding, puddle jumping - the list is endless, we wouldn’t have done without them. It’s not all bad.

greencartbluecart · 01/07/2025 08:29

It’s short term to shore up an economic model that is failing us all badly now and will crash with climate change effects really hit

JustPinkFinch · 01/07/2025 08:27

EasternStandard · 01/07/2025 07:49

That’s sounds like a bad idea. They sound out of touch generally.

Politicians are really bad at looking ahead 20 odd years and considering how many young people wouldn’t have jobs due to AI,

Plus agree with pp on incentivising those you don’t want to.

To be fair to them, they weren't saying it was a good idea. Just that it's something that's been suggested elsewhere - maybe Hungary? I was only half listening, half lost in my own thoughts!

In fact, I've just googled and Hungary have pushed ahead with it for mothers of 3+ children, and 2+ soon.

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