People are really mad about dogs and heat stroke?

Sorry that’s the world you live in, it’s really sad your environs are so grim. Sending you thoughts and prayers.

No, your posts are

Occurs to me that many on MN live in awful crime ridden druggy dog-abuser-gangland places.

Neither stupid nor naive … just don’t live where you live, obviously.

What makes you think a thief has any interest in paying the costs to look after your dog?? 😵‍💫

You do realise Dogs used for bait in fighting or other animal abuse situations are just any dogs thieves can get their hands on. Is this not a worry for you? Your dog trusts you, and you tie him up and put him in this position? People are right to berate you. The world can be a nasty place with some evil people in it, please open your eyes for the sake of your lovely lab who adores and trusts you.

I presume by the same insane reasoning you would also leave your toddlers alone outside places. They also have loads of ongoing costs associated with them and anyway it's perfectly safe...right?? 🤦🏼‍♀️

The world has changed, in some ways for the worse and it's not the 1950s anymore

I would talk to someone if I thought their dog was suffering to see if they are aware of the dangers, so many people have dogs and have no idea how to put the dogs needs before their own selfish wants
And my answer would be 'yes I am aware, thank you', but I bet it wouldn't end there because people making such comments are more interested in making their point and being proven right then actually listening and realise that in most cases, the individual dog circumstances have been considered and they are fine.

Statistics come from Google. I do expect they come from insurance companies, but even if only half or even a third of dogs are insured, it still shows that the numbers are extremely low, much ro low for all the warriors to assume that every dog they see outside in temps over 20 is being abused is at risk of death or serious harm!

Not sure if you are stupid or naive

Thanks for that story,
I’ll take my chances.

This is complete bollox

I was going to say this. If it's too hot for human feet, then it's too hot for dog feet - quite aside from actual heatstroke. A shady walk on grass by the river/ lake is a far cry from a walk on concrete in 30+ heat. Dogs can't tell us how they feel, and invariably just want to be with their owner so aren't going to put up a fuss. So it's the owner's duty to protect them accordingly.

Overreact much? Dog abusers, roaming the streets … what crock of shit. Where do you get this information? Maybe you live in a hell-hole. I don’t.

I’ll assess my own risks thank you - as if walking into a local pharmacy, tiny shop, big window - dogs don’t belong in a pharmacy.

Sad you live such a fearful life. Don’t need you trying to push your irrational fears into others.

A vet nurse in our family says there are many deaths of dogs every year because of heat stroke
Here we go! What a lot of rubbish! Under 400 dogs a year are admitted for heatstroke. One in 7 will die...that 60ish dogs a year....per the 13 million dogs in the UK!

It completely depends on the dog breed, what it's used to, their fitness level, the activity level on the walk, where you take them in terms of shade and water both for drinking and bathing, etc. it's just about using common sense but also monitoring them carefully, e.g. if they go into a full pant instead of a half pant then the level of exertion is too much.

We have an extremely active and fit short haired collie, and we've been in Spain for the past month in a van. He's been on 30 mile walks in the mountains for 9 hours and it's been consistently over 30 degrees. He's sometimes been tired and hot, but essentially not TOO hot. Just like we were sometimes tired and hot because we are active people. We were very careful to chose high elevations with lakes, woodlands and flowing rivers, and took routes with additional shade. We also took water and had regular breaks. We monitored him very carefully and paced his activity level.

I use the golden rule that if he starts a full pant then we stop and rest and cool down.

He's been on two walks a day since we got back, at relatively normal times, in normal places. But again I have balanced his activity levels and pace with the heat, and choose the right locations like woodland with water, he is no hotter than if he is fully active in colder weather.

If I had a different breed that was less able to regulate its temperature or I was only able to do street walk with my boy then I would behave differently. I would not take a pug or an elderly dog out in this weather.

Everyone foaming at the mouth about all dogs at anything over 20 degrees isn't considering that dogs absolutely can 'live' in hot weather as long as their owners are sensible and careful.

You'll take your chances of your dog being stolen for someone to abuse horrifically, because you wanted to look in a shop.

beggars belief.

there is not a single thing inside any shop that could make think risking losing my dog to abusers was worth it.

Thanks for that story,
I’ll take my chances.

I really really hope you don't find out the hard way about tying dogs up outside shops - it isn't just the attractive/expensive breeds that are stolen.

Dogs are also stolen for people to abuse - beat, kick, stab, drown..
Dogs are also stolen to ransom back to owners.
Dogs are stolen if someone thinks there is the possibility of breeding from them - and whilst you'd think being neutered would stop that, I've known of cases where the dog was taken, and then when checked and found to be neutered, dumped or, killed then the body dumped.

I just can't imagine putting one of my dogs at risk of any of that simply for conveniences sake!

I once left my scruffy terrier mix (neutered) with someone I knew 'ish' outside a shopping centre (he offered to mind the dog)... As I walked back through, some scruffy townie lad was running toward me with my dog! I grabbed the lead without even thinking and he ran off, but he had snatched the lead from the guy minding him and just taken off with him, very very luckily, in the direction I was coming from and he had no idea what I looked like.

A second or two later or if I had dithered or if he'd gone the other way, and I'd have almost certainly never seen my dog again. The guy who had been minding him was shocked and really upset but thought the lad had taken him to sell for drug money.

Please don't think it can't happen to you. It can, it happens to other people every single day.

Agree, I get nutters trying to get my dog to drink from their water bottle. My dog is 100% thinking - I don’t know what’s been in your mouth, not sharing with you!!
I live so close by, my dog is hydrated. If he’s not drinking from all those water bowls outside the shops, he’s not thirsty. Dog & I used to live in place 32* every day, no dogs there died from hot streets.

The other new crazy human behavior, is think it’s cruel/ irresponsible/ abandoned/ theft risk, to tie a dog outside a shop. Not bringing a dog into Tesco, pharmacy, etc. Plus, there are shops my dog does not like to go into, he prefers to sit outside. Lunatics wait outside to berate me, or hear them talking “oh he’s abandoned… let’s have a selfie”

He is 10 yr old Labrador, neutered, with some joint issues. He is not financially attractive to a thief.

I really really hope you don't find out the hard way about tying dogs up outside shops - it isn't just the attractive/expensive breeds that are stolen.

Dogs are also stolen for people to abuse - beat, kick, stab, drown..
Dogs are also stolen to ransom back to owners.
Dogs are stolen if someone thinks there is the possibility of breeding from them - and whilst you'd think being neutered would stop that, I've known of cases where the dog was taken, and then when checked and found to be neutered, dumped or, killed then the body dumped.

I just can't imagine putting one of my dogs at risk of any of that simply for conveniences sake!

I once left my scruffy terrier mix (neutered) with someone I knew 'ish' outside a shopping centre (he offered to mind the dog)... As I walked back through, some scruffy townie lad was running toward me with my dog! I grabbed the lead without even thinking and he ran off, but he had snatched the lead from the guy minding him and just taken off with him, very very luckily, in the direction I was coming from and he had no idea what I looked like.

A second or two later or if I had dithered or if he'd gone the other way, and I'd have almost certainly never seen my dog again. The guy who had been minding him was shocked and really upset but thought the lad had taken him to sell for drug money.

Please don't think it can't happen to you. It can, it happens to other people every single day.

Agree, I get nutters trying to get my dog to drink from their water bottle. My dog is 100% thinking - I don’t know what’s been in your mouth, not sharing with you!!
I live so close by, my dog is hydrated. If he’s not drinking from all those water bowls outside the shops, he’s not thirsty. Dog & I used to live in place 32* every day, no dogs there died from hot streets.

The other new crazy human behavior, is think it’s cruel/ irresponsible/ abandoned/ theft risk, to tie a dog outside a shop. Not bringing a dog into Tesco, pharmacy, etc. Plus, there are shops my dog does not like to go into, he prefers to sit outside. Lunatics wait outside to berate me, or hear them talking “oh he’s abandoned… let’s have a selfie”

He is 10 yr old Labrador, neutered, with some joint issues. He is not financially attractive to a thief.

People go so OTT about it imo. You get people who wont walk their dogs when its 20degrees.
My dogs are Spanish rescues, and they love the good weather, but they wouldn't be walking or running around in the heat of the day of their own accord
My previous spanish dog used to make dens under bushes in the garden. She would dig a hole under there and sit in it.
The owners that walk their dogs in the hot Spanish sun are not being kind to their animals either.

Sure - but it is getting pretty warm here each summer now so I do think we have to accept some acclimatisation