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HR rejected grievance I made against Colleague

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RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:11

Looking for a bit of a hand hold. I submitted a grievance against a male colleague for a comment he made about me which was sexual in nature. HR have investigated and closed the case after speaking to him and accepting his explanation that his comment wasn’t sexual. It absolutely was an inappropriate innuendo and I’m really surprised by the response.

Has anyone been in a similar position - would you try to find another job, or ask to be moved teams?

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steff13 · 01/07/2025 19:02

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 01/07/2025 18:42

@AnonymousBleep Agree that it was a sexually harrassing comment.

That clearly was the innuendo he was making.

It could/couldn't have been.

Not clearly at all! That's your take on it, same as OP and others, but clearly not HR's and others on here too.

It's not a fact.

That's the crux of it; the comment could reasonably be taken both ways, but it's not a fact that he meant it in a sexual way just because that's how some people take it.

If he didn't know that she was getting her lips filled and he said "oh she's getting her lips pumped," then yes you could infer something inappropriate. But considering what he said was what she was actually doing, it isn't clear at all that he was being inappropriate.

KM123456 · 01/07/2025 19:01

You apparently told the office what you were doing, and why you were missing work. He probably thought it was frivolous, and responded accordingly. I don't see the sexual innuendo, but you not only reacted like a Victorian maiden but went to HR to get back at him.
I've had people like you in my workplace, and we all avoided them. We were never sure who would offend them next. One woman, when she realized she had done something questionable that reflected poorly on her work ethic (eg: sharing that she is taking off work to get her lips plumped) would always turn around and complain to management about someone else offending her, thereby turning herself into the victim. It was a masterly strategy and protected her for years.
If you were sincere about this, another response would have been to look at the man, give an eye roll and a sigh, then say "really?" Then laugh. Message sent. No one involves HR. You can document it if you think it will be a pattern.

Swirlythingy2025 · 01/07/2025 18:59

HAB75 · 01/07/2025 14:18

Full disclosure - I only worked in companies with warehouses for a few months in total. However, I think that did give me some perspective on how to do these things well (given one of them did everything badly). I don't think you leap into a process. I think you go to HR - a couple of you can go if that feels comfortable - and simply ask some questions. "We've noticed that * is taking charge of our group? We think/feel this way this because he does a, b and c. We wanted to ask is this what the company is wanting him to do? Is he lined up to take on the managerial role? Or is he being a bit bossy?" And if you need to justify the question, just say "we don't know if we're supposed to do as he tells us, or if he is taking that all on himself". I think that's a good early conversation to have because if he has gone rogue he could be causing the company issues and not just your team. Don't over justify yourselves for asking the questions, don't be aggressive - just ask openly.

thats very good advice and thank you for your time writing it.

Zeborah · 01/07/2025 18:55

I’m with HR. Rightly or wrongly your going to have to toughen up going forward.

Noodledog · 01/07/2025 18:53

Lookingtodate · 01/07/2025 18:19

Perhaps getting pumped is a regional thing as I took it as innuendo

I think it must be. A few posters have said they are in Scotland and would immediately recognise it as an innuendo. I'm from the West Midlands and have never heard "pumped" mean have sex.

Game0fCrones · 01/07/2025 18:52

I assumed that the term 'getting your lips pumped' came from the fact that they look like a bicycle inner tube when they're done. A sort of inflated rubber tube.

legolegoeverywhereandnotadroptodrink · 01/07/2025 18:51

Im probably a different generation to you but i would not have taken offence to that

Rosscameasdoody · 01/07/2025 18:46

Laura95167 · 01/07/2025 18:44

So as someone who acts as a decision manager for HR grievances.

I couldn't do anything other than your HR department did.

He might often be a pig and get away with it, which isnt cool but unless you've more specific examples the fact is you were off getting your lips filled and he used the terminology "getting her lips pumped" which could be an innuendo or could have been an accurate and innocent answer to the Qn.

Do I think he was probably being a cheeky pig? Probably. But if he gave the investigator the right answers and that was the only example in your complaint would I end action there? Yes.

I think if it puts him on notice and he behaves a bit better thats the best you'll get from this scenario. If he does say something again, you could make a further complaint but id advise making a record and only doing that if you witness multiple specific things because if you keep putting in complaints one at a time he could then complain youre harassing him

Yep, this. Most sensible post on the thread.

Rosscameasdoody · 01/07/2025 18:44

Smurfette63 · 01/07/2025 18:42

@Gettingbysomehow not tripe. Sounds like there's a few here need to redo their diversity training and actually take notice of it by changing their own behaviour!
Oh and FYI I started work in the 70's!

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Nope. As has been said numerous times, the comment has to reach the threshold to be considered as sexual harassment. And this doesn’t. As evidenced by the majority of posters here having to have the perceived sleight explained to them, and HR rejecting the claim. What matters is not that a comment offends you, it’s whether it breaches the law. I’ve done diversity training and refreshed it recently. And my behaviour doesn’t need changing thanks.

Laura95167 · 01/07/2025 18:44

RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:20

Apologies, reading back it’s probably difficult to comment without the context.

Basically - I had a random day off and one of the things I was doing was getting my lip filler topped up. Most of my colleagues knew this. Another colleague asked me what I was doing with my day off (in ear shot of the colleague I complained about) and he said ‘she’s getting her lips pumped’.

He is the oldest member on the team and makes inappropriate jokes most days which people pass off as ‘that’s just X being X’. He knew exactly what he was doing making that comment.

So as someone who acts as a decision manager for HR grievances.

I couldn't do anything other than your HR department did.

He might often be a pig and get away with it, which isnt cool but unless you've more specific examples the fact is you were off getting your lips filled and he used the terminology "getting her lips pumped" which could be an innuendo or could have been an accurate and innocent answer to the Qn.

Do I think he was probably being a cheeky pig? Probably. But if he gave the investigator the right answers and that was the only example in your complaint would I end action there? Yes.

I think if it puts him on notice and he behaves a bit better thats the best you'll get from this scenario. If he does say something again, you could make a further complaint but id advise making a record and only doing that if you witness multiple specific things because if you keep putting in complaints one at a time he could then complain youre harassing him

Doubledenim305 · 01/07/2025 18:43

I'm another one with HR. Getting ur lips pumped with filler sounds fine to me.

Rosscameasdoody · 01/07/2025 18:43

mummaclaire · 01/07/2025 18:30

This so such an over reaction! If a woman had said either comments to you or your colleague with a spring on their step you would have giggled or ignored it.

men of a certain again don’t get that what they have said is now classed as not ok because we live in the land of snowflakes you would have achieved a better result by calling him out to it to his face.

See, I think this goes too far in the opposite direction. Men ‘of a certain age’ are not exempt from the law - and the law defines sexual harassment. And real sexual harassment has never been ok. Whether you are a ‘snowflake’ (horrible, misogynistic term) is irrelevant. What matters is not that you were offended by a comment, what matters is whether that comment reaches the threshold for sexual harassment.

Smurfette63 · 01/07/2025 18:42

Gettingbysomehow · 01/07/2025 18:16

What utter tripe. He said nothing sexual. It's her who has been telling everyone in the office about her personal life. You can't be disciplined for being a bit of a bore or a silly old fool.
Women who make a huge fuss about nothing being a thing are just making the rest of us look bloody stupid.
I remember what real harassment was back in the 80s when I started work. It was horrifying. Stop being so wet.

@Gettingbysomehow not tripe. Sounds like there's a few here need to redo their diversity training and actually take notice of it by changing their own behaviour!
Oh and FYI I started work in the 70's!

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 01/07/2025 18:42

@AnonymousBleep Agree that it was a sexually harrassing comment.

That clearly was the innuendo he was making.

It could/couldn't have been.

Not clearly at all! That's your take on it, same as OP and others, but clearly not HR's and others on here too.

It's not a fact.

Gettingbysomehow · 01/07/2025 18:34

Lookingtodate · 01/07/2025 18:19

Perhaps getting pumped is a regional thing as I took it as innuendo

I don't know. It doesn't mean anything here in Somerset.

MyDreamyRoseOrca · 01/07/2025 18:33

I think you’re being ridiculous frankly. Also the poster who is horrified by the majority voting YABU, I have had allll the training and courses. I know my stuff. This is someone who is offended but that doesn’t mean that she’s right. Also OP, where the hell do you work? You tell your colleagues you’re having the day off to get lip filler? It sounds like it’s a workplace where you share that sort of thing, and then get offended when someone says you were having your lips pumped? Righto.

mummaclaire · 01/07/2025 18:30

This so such an over reaction! If a woman had said either comments to you or your colleague with a spring on their step you would have giggled or ignored it.

men of a certain again don’t get that what they have said is now classed as not ok because we live in the land of snowflakes you would have achieved a better result by calling him out to it to his face.

OhMyMirror · 01/07/2025 18:29

Out of curiosity, OP are you Scottish...particularly from the West? I am and I would have absolutely taken that as sexual innuendo.

Smurfette63 · 01/07/2025 18:22

nomas · 30/06/2025 18:21

Isn’t that what they do though, pump the lips with liquid?

Sounds like he's old school and definitely needs to retake his diversity training. As for everyone accepting 'thats just X being X' is disgraceful and also not acceptable. I work in HR too and he would have received a verbal warning if I had been in the chair. People should think before they open their mouths!

bubmut · 01/07/2025 18:19

It sounds as if he has made inappropriate comments in the past, but getting your lips pumped is not sexual, it was fact and so I agree with HR

Lookingtodate · 01/07/2025 18:19

Perhaps getting pumped is a regional thing as I took it as innuendo

GiveDogBone · 01/07/2025 18:17

As I repeatedly say on threads like this, HR are not on your side, they are on the side of the company. This was always going to happen, unless the company actually wanted to get rid of the person you complained about.

Chinsupmeloves · 01/07/2025 18:17

Sounds like (yes, inappropriate) jokey banter, I've heard far worse! He will have realised not to make these remarks in the future I'm sure, well maybe only to those who would just tell him to bugger off and take it as a laugh.

Rosscameasdoody · 01/07/2025 18:16

OverVerdant · 01/07/2025 18:11

Oh yes, I had an absolutely terrible time when I returned to work following a hysterectomy. A male colleague commented on the amount of time I’d had off. I took it to my team manager who was incompetent and unable to manage the situation appropriately. The man had been a professional footballer back in the day so the whole team supported him and I was discriminated against for months until I eventually left. It really was a terrible time for me and one I find hard to forget even now after many years. I feel for you and hope you get a better outcome than I did.

Depends on what the comment was though doesn’t it ? If it escalated into out and out discrimination why did you not take action ? This thread is demonstrating quite a concerning level of misunderstanding of what sexual harassment actually is.

Gettingbysomehow · 01/07/2025 18:16

Smurfette63 · 01/07/2025 18:05

How in hell can 67% of voters think you're being unreasonable. Every one of them need to take their diversity training. Any racist, sexist, gender related or bully tactics are unacceptable in the work place. Your HR dept. are very wrong. Regardless of whether he thought it was OK or not, you took offence to it and your HR dept. should have backed you and he should have had, at least, a verbal warning.

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What utter tripe. He said nothing sexual. It's her who has been telling everyone in the office about her personal life. You can't be disciplined for being a bit of a bore or a silly old fool.
Women who make a huge fuss about nothing being a thing are just making the rest of us look bloody stupid.
I remember what real harassment was back in the 80s when I started work. It was horrifying. Stop being so wet.