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HR rejected grievance I made against Colleague

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RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:11

Looking for a bit of a hand hold. I submitted a grievance against a male colleague for a comment he made about me which was sexual in nature. HR have investigated and closed the case after speaking to him and accepting his explanation that his comment wasn’t sexual. It absolutely was an inappropriate innuendo and I’m really surprised by the response.

Has anyone been in a similar position - would you try to find another job, or ask to be moved teams?

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effie19 · 01/07/2025 21:50

Dinnerout · 01/07/2025 20:58

Lots of men bank on being perceived as 'the old boy' who doesn't realise he's said anything.

OP, keep logging everything that crosses into inappropriate territory. A man who will say this will say something else.

To the many women who apparently don't understand the disgusting double meaning of this comment - be glad you don't interact with men who speak so crassly - and stop assuming that means there aren't any out there who do!

But you're assuming he definitely was being offensive despite countless people telling you it's an acceptable term.

Why can't other people make assumptions which don't match yours without apparently being incapable of understanding?

Helen483 · 01/07/2025 21:39

Dandelionlawn · 01/07/2025 19:57

It could have been an innocent remark. You have no way of knowing.

No.
YOU have no way of knowing because all YOU have to go on is the words spoken. But the vast majority of communication is non-verbal (tone of voice, timing, facial expression) and that can send an entirely different message.

Alip1965 · 01/07/2025 21:36

Can't see he said anything out of order really. Maybe there was a sly dig. But what he said was factual. Hr have nothing to go on really. Be careful he doesn't put a grievance in on you for harassment. That could stand.

MrsMrsD · 01/07/2025 21:05

If you're offended by the truth then maybe you need to learn a little resilience. He's right, that's what a lot people understand it to be, getting lips pumped. They're pumped with toxins to make them look strange. HR were right to dismiss it.

Dinnerout · 01/07/2025 20:58

mummaclaire · 01/07/2025 20:55

There is too much telling the teacher behaviour in the work place, we are adults if someone has offended you tell them! The old boy probably doesn’t realise what he’s said is offensive.

Lots of men bank on being perceived as 'the old boy' who doesn't realise he's said anything.

OP, keep logging everything that crosses into inappropriate territory. A man who will say this will say something else.

To the many women who apparently don't understand the disgusting double meaning of this comment - be glad you don't interact with men who speak so crassly - and stop assuming that means there aren't any out there who do!

mummaclaire · 01/07/2025 20:55

There is too much telling the teacher behaviour in the work place, we are adults if someone has offended you tell them! The old boy probably doesn’t realise what he’s said is offensive.

KrisAkabusi · 01/07/2025 20:53

MommaEmily · 01/07/2025 20:05

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this It’s not okay that your concerns weren’t taken seriously If HR isn’t helping, thinking about switching teams or jobs to protect yourself makes sense. Your well-being comes first

Her concerns were taken seriously though. HR investigated her grievance. Just because they didn't agree with her doesn't mean that the situation wasn't dealt with appropriately.

BananaCaramel · 01/07/2025 20:42

He sounds like a bit of a wanker but this is hardly a sackable offence OP, what were you expecting to happen?

Snoopy1971 · 01/07/2025 20:35

Good grief OP, sensitive or what. His statement was factual, only you made a sexual analogy from it. Lighten up, getter a thicker skin or become a hermit so you don’t have to deal with people.

karatemam · 01/07/2025 20:27

RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:20

Apologies, reading back it’s probably difficult to comment without the context.

Basically - I had a random day off and one of the things I was doing was getting my lip filler topped up. Most of my colleagues knew this. Another colleague asked me what I was doing with my day off (in ear shot of the colleague I complained about) and he said ‘she’s getting her lips pumped’.

He is the oldest member on the team and makes inappropriate jokes most days which people pass off as ‘that’s just X being X’. He knew exactly what he was doing making that comment.

Jesus, you went to HR for THIS!? Poor bloke…

FunkySoulMedina · 01/07/2025 20:24

I'm sorry but we are seriously in a snowflake environment!
It was meant in jest, there was no malice, just a simple comment that you were in fact getting your lips pumped or were you not?
I miss the days of proper jest and giggles without offending the snow flakes.

I used to work in a fruit and veg wholesale, next to a butchers, got called melons and had the funniest giggles ever! Great times!

DoubleMM · 01/07/2025 20:13

You were getting your lips pumped though? That’s not a sexual comment unless you read pumped as innuendo / he might have been being a bit derogatory but not sexual- or at the very least not obviously sexual

Missyk25 · 01/07/2025 20:12

FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 30/06/2025 18:27

I don't see how that's sexual innuendo?

I agree

MommaEmily · 01/07/2025 20:05

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this It’s not okay that your concerns weren’t taken seriously If HR isn’t helping, thinking about switching teams or jobs to protect yourself makes sense. Your well-being comes first

OneWittyGuide · 01/07/2025 20:03

Sounds like he can get away with it since technically pumped could mean filled unfortunately. He may think he’s clever by using innuendo but I think if the volume of comments he makes, whether blatant or veiled, could still amount to harassment if they’re constant.

JournalistEmily · 01/07/2025 19:59

That isn’t a sexual innuendo. You were getting your lips pumped. As in pumped up with filler. Sorry but I’d have laughed!!

Dandelionlawn · 01/07/2025 19:57

It could have been an innocent remark. You have no way of knowing.

SlatternIsMyMiddleName · 01/07/2025 19:55

I wouldn’t have even registered the comment as innuendo.

Helen483 · 01/07/2025 19:52

RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:57

I didn’t involve my manager because he is usually (awkwardly) laughing along at the comments my colleague makes rather than pulling him up on them.

He said to a female colleague a couple of days before this that she looked like she had a spring in her step and was that because her husband had performed the night before. She was too embarrassed to say anything, whilst I decided enough was enough. Hopefully he will now stop as he knows HR have had a report.

Well I was going to say that you need to grow a thicker skin op. But the incident you describe here is much worse.

You could have reported that remark - a remark doesn't have to be made to you, people can report an overheard offensive remark.

You should also let your manager know every time you find a remark offensive and ask your manager NOT to laugh along. (Remind him of the famous quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")

Shanda5 · 01/07/2025 19:51

Absolutely an overreaction on OPs part.

TallMam · 01/07/2025 19:46

RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:20

Apologies, reading back it’s probably difficult to comment without the context.

Basically - I had a random day off and one of the things I was doing was getting my lip filler topped up. Most of my colleagues knew this. Another colleague asked me what I was doing with my day off (in ear shot of the colleague I complained about) and he said ‘she’s getting her lips pumped’.

He is the oldest member on the team and makes inappropriate jokes most days which people pass off as ‘that’s just X being X’. He knew exactly what he was doing making that comment.

Honestly, that's what I would call it too, that's what you were going to do! How is that sexual in any way? No wonder people don't dare to say anything anymore, too afraid to set a foot wrong and bruise tender hearts...how young are you?

Teddybear23 · 01/07/2025 19:34

What he said is just the truth!

effie19 · 01/07/2025 19:20

To the posters saying "how can people not see the innuendo".... it's not that it's eluding us, it's because we can get through life using the word 'pump' in its many connotations without leaping straight to the sexual inference. How do you cope at kid's parties?! Or Halfords?!

Still can't get over the shock at the man using the word "lips" to mean, of all things... lips!! The lips that were indeed getting pumped! Getting your (vaginal) lips pumped doesn't even make any sense FFS

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 01/07/2025 19:20

Well I can understand why it was thrown out, but I can also see that he could be the kind of person to make everything he says about sex, and how after a while it might upset women working next to it all day.

I guess he said 'pumped' in the way someone might talk about 'pumping' their girlfriend full of sperm? As a one-off it's small but if you and the other women catalogued these seemingly innocuous comments, and presented them as a group once you had many examples (from many voices), I think it should be enough for HR to notice and give him a stern talking to about, if not more.

I think people telling you to grow up are being a bit harsh. I'm guessing this last comment is the proverbial 'straw' and now you're worried it will backfire on you? They can't do anything to you for raising a grievance - sit tight and let him dig his own grave, either from continuing to talk like a pervert or from bullying you for speaking up against him. If he does neither then take it as your win!

ErinBell01 · 01/07/2025 19:20

AlwaysFreezing · 30/06/2025 18:50

Yeah. He meant your 'other' lips, didnt he. Creep.

I've read loads of the comments here and until someone actually pointed that out it had never occurred to me! I must have led a sheltered life!

I think a lot of men find women plumping their lips up are figures of fun, it's not something they seem to find particularly attractive so maybe this guy was just jumping in with a comment when he got the chance.