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HR rejected grievance I made against Colleague

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RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:11

Looking for a bit of a hand hold. I submitted a grievance against a male colleague for a comment he made about me which was sexual in nature. HR have investigated and closed the case after speaking to him and accepting his explanation that his comment wasn’t sexual. It absolutely was an inappropriate innuendo and I’m really surprised by the response.

Has anyone been in a similar position - would you try to find another job, or ask to be moved teams?

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BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 16:16

Dered · 03/07/2025 15:08

The law is changing . ENHANCED RESPONSIBILITIES mean they, the Employer, have to take all steps possible to prevent this . Maybe ask if they are aware ?

Prevent what? A comment that may or may not have been misinterpreted? It’s obvious from this thread that the interpretation is highly subjective, no amount of ENHANCED RESPONSIBILITIES is going to change that.

Dered · 03/07/2025 15:08

The law is changing . ENHANCED RESPONSIBILITIES mean they, the Employer, have to take all steps possible to prevent this . Maybe ask if they are aware ?

HughGrantsfurrysquirrel · 03/07/2025 12:04

honeylulu · 30/06/2025 18:34

I thought you were going to say he made a clearly crass comment like "blow job lips". I'm sure I've described lip filler as someone "having their lips plumped up". Pumped rather than plumped is barely any different in either sound or meaning so I can see how HR couldn't infer an innuendo.

He might have intended it in a vulgar way but the choice of words is too neutral for a third party to reach that conclusion.

It sounds like he has form though, so hopefully this has given him a short sharp shock and he will modify his behaviour.

This.

ilexgranita · 03/07/2025 10:38

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Bit ageist there too. Nevermind that, let's focus on those poor, poor men - you're right they have it properly tough. They should be able to come on here and tell us woman their very special manly opinions becuase we just don't hear enough of them.
They totally need all your support and I'm sure they'll be very grateful for it too and you might even get a special man friend badge if you're lucky. Thanks for doing a great job for the men.

springissprung2025 · 03/07/2025 10:03

Of course it’s sexual innuendo. He knew what he was doing and hearing some of the responses on here saying otherwise makes me understand more how some men are still getting away with this sort of behaviour. Just bantz eh?

Isxmasoveryet · 03/07/2025 09:48

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ilexgranita · 03/07/2025 09:44

Isxmasoveryet · 03/07/2025 09:36

Tell me Ur young and on Mumsnet without telling me your young and on Mumsnet lol toxic feminity at its best lol

Are you another lovely man who has chosen to gift us with your highly educated opinion? Tell us more about this toxic femininity that you speak of.

LoveLifeBeHappy · 03/07/2025 09:42

RockNRoll25 · 30/06/2025 18:20

Apologies, reading back it’s probably difficult to comment without the context.

Basically - I had a random day off and one of the things I was doing was getting my lip filler topped up. Most of my colleagues knew this. Another colleague asked me what I was doing with my day off (in ear shot of the colleague I complained about) and he said ‘she’s getting her lips pumped’.

He is the oldest member on the team and makes inappropriate jokes most days which people pass off as ‘that’s just X being X’. He knew exactly what he was doing making that comment.

"he made about me which was sexual in nature"
"It absolutely was an inappropriate innuendo"

@RockNRoll25 - I still can't seem to find this part?

I have voted YABU - Sorry, I don't see it.

Isxmasoveryet · 03/07/2025 09:36

ilexgranita · 02/07/2025 09:35

Thanks! What we really needed was a man to come along and set us all straight. Keep up the good work!

Tell me Ur young and on Mumsnet without telling me your young and on Mumsnet lol toxic feminity at its best lol

LBFseBrom · 02/07/2025 22:50

Mumto42005 · 02/07/2025 15:10

In answer to your original question, personally I would find a new job.

I don’t see anything wrong with what this man said, and I don’t think you can, or should, take it any further.

I agree and for goodness sakes, when you start your new job, don't give anybody personal information about any enhancements you may have.

DontAskMeImLostToo · 02/07/2025 15:44

FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 30/06/2025 18:12

Without knowing more info how can anyone answer?

Literally - we need the tea! ☕️

Mumto42005 · 02/07/2025 15:10

In answer to your original question, personally I would find a new job.

I don’t see anything wrong with what this man said, and I don’t think you can, or should, take it any further.

fiddyfence · 02/07/2025 14:57

ilexgranita · 02/07/2025 12:38

Why the need to tell us he’s a man? It’s not a female only space as you quite rightly point out! Do we all need to declare our sex when offering an opinion or only when you feel your sex gives you special importance? This is my viewpoint - why is it ridiculous?

Exactly.

fiddyfence · 02/07/2025 14:53

Helen483 · 02/07/2025 12:30

Don't be ridiculous. He wasn't telling us what to think, he was giving his viewpoint just like every other poster on the thread. This isn't a female only space, you know.

ODFOD

Isinglass20 · 02/07/2025 14:40

I can’t see any innuendo and certainly not sexual harassment. OP needs to get a grip or she’ll get be known for having a chip on her shoulder

dh280125 · 02/07/2025 13:42

I think HR probably made the right call, and at least he might think twice in future about what he says about you.

BusyExpert · 02/07/2025 13:00

Without more detail it is difficult to advise you. No one can tell if it was sexual innuendo and inappropriate on his part or if you are being over sensitive and seeing/ hearing what was not there. If HR have investigated they have obviously accepted his explanation so I would suggest that you are on a hiding to nothing to try and take this further and if you do life could become uncomfortable at work.
For what it is worth and I am sure that this will get a screaming response from some young women here, there is always banter in the workplace. If I ever found that it went too far I was a dab hand at making the man delivering it feel small and stupid. I discovered that no-one ever tried it twice

perhaps that is a skill you could cultivate?

ExercicenformedeZ · 02/07/2025 12:47

Dinnerout · 02/07/2025 12:13

I am too and I'm wondering if this is where the disconnect is on this thread. That's a very clear meaning here. Didn't realise it was regional but it surely is as otherwise I don't understand how people are so (aggressively!) not 'getting it'.

And no, not if a tyre is being pumped. But lips? Yes.

I'm in Scotland as well and this just isn't true.

Tiswa · 02/07/2025 12:40

Dinnerout · 02/07/2025 12:13

I am too and I'm wondering if this is where the disconnect is on this thread. That's a very clear meaning here. Didn't realise it was regional but it surely is as otherwise I don't understand how people are so (aggressively!) not 'getting it'.

And no, not if a tyre is being pumped. But lips? Yes.

Perhaps I’m London and aware of the meaning just like I know Bap means roll but also has the double entendre meaning breasts.

but also the idea of having lips pumped is a normal meaning of lips filled - I would use it myself without any underlying meaning or sexual undertones

it also made me look at whether I had misunderstood the Black Eyed Peas song pump it but no apparently that is just about turning up the volume. This thread has made me see it in a whole different light

ilexgranita · 02/07/2025 12:38

Why the need to tell us he’s a man? It’s not a female only space as you quite rightly point out! Do we all need to declare our sex when offering an opinion or only when you feel your sex gives you special importance? This is my viewpoint - why is it ridiculous?

InterIgnis · 02/07/2025 12:34

I suspect it is. I’m not from the UK, but I lived and worked in London for a few years from being a teen. While I understand why it could be taken as innuendo, I’ve never heard ‘getting her lips pumped’ actually be used as such irl, or indeed used it in that way myself.

That particular meaning, in this specific context, is neither a clear nor obvious one to me.

Helen483 · 02/07/2025 12:30

ilexgranita · 02/07/2025 11:53

Oops, I forgot - we need to be kind to the men when they tell us how to think. Looks like you got the message, though.

Don't be ridiculous. He wasn't telling us what to think, he was giving his viewpoint just like every other poster on the thread. This isn't a female only space, you know.

Dinnerout · 02/07/2025 12:13

OhMyMirror · 01/07/2025 18:29

Out of curiosity, OP are you Scottish...particularly from the West? I am and I would have absolutely taken that as sexual innuendo.

I am too and I'm wondering if this is where the disconnect is on this thread. That's a very clear meaning here. Didn't realise it was regional but it surely is as otherwise I don't understand how people are so (aggressively!) not 'getting it'.

And no, not if a tyre is being pumped. But lips? Yes.

InterIgnis · 02/07/2025 12:09

ExercicenformedeZ · 02/07/2025 10:38

I think that OP should merely avoid this man and ignore him as much as possible. If she keeps a log or seems to be monitoring him, she could be the one finding herself in trouble as a vexatious complainer.

This.

As far as HR investigating alleged patterns of behavior, they can only go by what is reported to them, and what there is evidence of. An allegation is not proof, and they’re not going to take disciplinary action against him simply because one was made. Doing so could, and likely would, have serious repercussions.

They did investigate, and they would have spoken to at least one colleague of OP’s. That they didn’t find in OP’s favour does not mean they neglected to do their job.

Dinnerout · 02/07/2025 12:03

KrisAkabusi · 01/07/2025 22:09

To the many women who apparently don't understand the disgusting double meaning of this comment - be glad you don't interact with men who speak so crassly - and stop assuming that means there aren't any out there who do!

Plenty of people understand that there is a potential double meaning to it. But there is no way of knowing if he meant that it that way, or even knew that it exists. He used a common phrase in a factual way.

Yeah I'm not disputing that we can't be sure of his intention - I have my opinion on that but can't be certain!

I mean to the women (particularly the one who said my minds in the gutter and I'm the result of porn culture) who are acting as though people UNDERSTANDING the potential double entendre is disgusting or ridiculous. Those acting as though there IS NO double meaning and that those of us seeing one are simply filthy etc.