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SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 18:11

Name changed as this is outing.

Mumsnet, I need your wisdom. DC is in reception, has ASD and an EHCP. They have 1:1 support.

a school trip was organised which would have been completely unsuitable for DC. Partly due to them being such a flight risk but also, they would not have got on the school bus in the first place. I asked what the option was if DC didn’t attend the trip and was told the school had enough staff to accommodate them, so if DC didn’t go on the trip they would get slapped with an unauthorised absence. No option for them to attend school that day.

AIBU to think this is not ok or do I clearly not have a clue how schools work?

So as not to drip feed, I kept DC at home and their 1:1 support went on the trip with the rest of the class.
I was told I could have gone on the trip too but I had too work, plus I knew it would have been so stressful for everyone, especially DC and I wasn’t prepared to put them through that.

is this legit?

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Away2000 · 30/06/2025 19:34

No advice on what to do about it, but just wanted to say you did the right thing. I have a similar situation coming up (school trip with large lake and autistic child who elopes and bolts towards water/can’t swim) I will be keeping him off as I rather he miss the trip and stay alive.

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:34

ReadingSoManyThreads · 30/06/2025 19:31

OP doesn't really need to explain this. The school should have let her child attend school. The OP is not at fault here.

But it’s relevant

if she couldn’t attend the trip then there was seemingly no way her child could go then maybe there’s an argument for the school sorting alternative provision

if she could attend but chose not to, that’s different

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:33

CaptainFuture · 30/06/2025 19:32

The fact you've used the word 'drama' in your user name....that you seem to be ready for a fight and complaint about staff...🥱

It's not a 'drama' school staff are just not your staff to instruct how you demand they do...

This is hilarious. It’s hard to know where to start with the assumptions you’ve made here. I needed a giggle though. Thank you 🙏

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TeenToTwenties · 30/06/2025 19:33

It is quite clear, I don't know why some posters are struggling to comprehend.

OP I think the school was wrong as you need to give permission for external trips, and you did not, so you should have been offered for your DS, and his 1-1, to stay at school.

School told you that wouldn't be possible. That's on them. So they shouldn't mark it as unauthorised absence.

It could even be considered an illegal exclusion given you were told he could not attend.

CaptainFuture · 30/06/2025 19:32

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:27

Where did I say I was pissed off? I’ve said I was surprised….

The fact you've used the word 'drama' in your user name....that you seem to be ready for a fight and complaint about staff...🥱

It's not a 'drama' school staff are just not your staff to instruct how you demand they do...

ReadingSoManyThreads · 30/06/2025 19:31

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:29

Again? You’ve not explained it once
and there are a few posters asking exactly the same as me

OP doesn't really need to explain this. The school should have let her child attend school. The OP is not at fault here.

Mrsttcno1 · 30/06/2025 19:31

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:29

Again? You’ve not explained it once
and there are a few posters asking exactly the same as me

Doesn’t suit her narrative I suspect!

ReadingSoManyThreads · 30/06/2025 19:30

You should take this further OP. See if you can get a free consultation with a solicitor that specialises in SEN (there's one in Belfast, not sure about others).

School trips are not compulsory, and the 1:1 should have stayed with your child in school.

The school are in the wrong here. Not sure what a solicitor would advise, but if you don't go down that route, I'd be making a formal complaint and involving the LA, they need to know that the school would not allow your child to attend school and that his 1:1 was sent on the trip. No way should this be an unauthorised absence. He should have been kept in school with his 1:1.

In my opinion, the school may be acting unlawfully.

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:29

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:28

I’m not going to explain this to you again. There must be other threads that you can derail. Feel free to explore those.

Again? You’ve not explained it once
and there are a few posters asking exactly the same as me

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:28

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:26

You said you were unable to attend the trip to make it possible for your child to go because of work.

they you wanted to keep them off and you missed work in order to do that

I’m not going to explain this to you again. There must be other threads that you can derail. Feel free to explore those.

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SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:27

CaptainFuture · 30/06/2025 19:25

So school.risk assessed and made provisions for dc to attend trip. You disagreed, didn't want dc to attend, and are pissed off school didn't make provisions for your demands?

Where did I say I was pissed off? I’ve said I was surprised….

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houseofwater · 30/06/2025 19:26

I haven’t read the whole thread and no sen experience but from what I heard from teacher friends is that if you don’t consent to the trip the school have to find something for the child to do at school for the day.

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:26

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:23

Not changed the story whatsoever.

You said you were unable to attend the trip to make it possible for your child to go because of work.

they you wanted to keep them off and you missed work in order to do that

Mrsttcno1 · 30/06/2025 19:26

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:23

Not changed the story whatsoever.

You couldn’t attend because you had to work, but you didn’t work because you kept him off?

Mrsttcno1 · 30/06/2025 19:25

ExpressCheckout · 30/06/2025 19:13

Yes, I did read the OP, thanks for asking! Flowers

No reception age school trip, in my opinion, is or should be so specialised that it excludes one of the children.

At this age, a 'trip' can be something very simple, even a different kind of activity in the same building.

What a message to send to a reception age child who won't understand fully but will comprehend that they cannot go.

Just incredibly thoughtless.

So your solution is that the entirety of reception can’t go on any trips because the parent of 1 child isn’t happy for him to go- despite the school being happy for him to attend?

And by your logic then any trip that actually involves, you know, leaving the building, is “so specialised”? Nope.

CaptainFuture · 30/06/2025 19:25

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:08

It’s not relevant. My question was are the school legally allowed to not have any provision for DC to attend school if they don’t go on the trip. Hopefully someone has the answer.

So school.risk assessed and made provisions for dc to attend trip. You disagreed, didn't want dc to attend, and are pissed off school didn't make provisions for your demands?

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:23

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:21

It is relevant, and it shows a changing story and changing reasoning from you

Not changed the story whatsoever.

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Han86 · 30/06/2025 19:22

RandomMess · 30/06/2025 19:19

The question is surely -

Is it lawful to make a school trip compulsory. Surely it isn’t? Attending school is, but an excursion possibly not?

Actually this is an interesting point.
When it comes to residential, those who don't go are allowed to stay in school and are asked to help out with the younger years.
I don't know whether this is because residentials take place outside of school hours though 🤔

ZoggyStirdust · 30/06/2025 19:21

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:08

It’s not relevant. My question was are the school legally allowed to not have any provision for DC to attend school if they don’t go on the trip. Hopefully someone has the answer.

It is relevant, and it shows a changing story and changing reasoning from you

RandomMess · 30/06/2025 19:19

The question is surely -

Is it lawful to make a school trip compulsory. Surely it isn’t? Attending school is, but an excursion possibly not?

helpfulperson · 30/06/2025 19:17

Taking disability out of this, if a parent just decided that they didn't want their child to attend a visit would the school be required to let them attend school. I don't think so.

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:15

FloofyBird · 30/06/2025 19:13

Unless the school stopped them going (which would be discriminatory) I'm not sure they do op. I would suggest contacting someone like coram child law advice line for some free advice to find out for sure. Do let us know if you do as I'd be interested to know the answer.

Thank you, this is helpful.

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FloofyBird · 30/06/2025 19:13

SchoolTripSENDrama · 30/06/2025 19:08

It’s not relevant. My question was are the school legally allowed to not have any provision for DC to attend school if they don’t go on the trip. Hopefully someone has the answer.

Unless the school stopped them going (which would be discriminatory) I'm not sure they do op. I would suggest contacting someone like coram child law advice line for some free advice to find out for sure. Do let us know if you do as I'd be interested to know the answer.

Han86 · 30/06/2025 19:13

FloofyBird · 30/06/2025 19:07

That's not what you said though is it. You said the parents of the disabled children are grateful they get to go. That's very different to all parents are grateful you run trips.

Trying make a parent come on a trip so school don't have to provide extra staff isn't acceptable either, schools should ensure they're capable of managing without the disabled child's parents or run a different trip.

If you read my post I also said our school has sent extra staff and in a later post I also said even the SENDCO has gone on trips too to help facilitate things.
As I said, did any meeting take place between the parent, teacher and SENDCO beforehand to discuss the trip in which case the OP could have gone through all these concerns.
Also going forward as someone else pointed out, will the child always miss out on trips? Again I would suggest meeting with the school to discuss what would be suitable for them to be included.
I would also wonder, was it your choice to send the child to mainstream or is it lack of provision in a specialist setting?

ExpressCheckout · 30/06/2025 19:13

Mrsttcno1 · 30/06/2025 19:01

Have you read the OP?

The trip wasn’t unsuitable because it was “niche” or “bespoke” thus excluding a child, OP has said: “it was unsuitable partly due to them being such a flight risk but also, they would not have got on the school bus in the first place”.

So what school trip would have been suitable? Nothing that requires bus transport… which every school trip I know of does, but if not and they pick somewhere they can walk to then it’s still unsuitable because he’s a flight risk?

Presumably given there is structured support in place, including a 1-1, the school had assessed and planned for this.

Edited

Yes, I did read the OP, thanks for asking! Flowers

No reception age school trip, in my opinion, is or should be so specialised that it excludes one of the children.

At this age, a 'trip' can be something very simple, even a different kind of activity in the same building.

What a message to send to a reception age child who won't understand fully but will comprehend that they cannot go.

Just incredibly thoughtless.