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AIBU to think I have no liability here? (diagram attached)

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WiggyClawsThe2nd · 30/06/2025 12:46

I think I'm fairly sure on this but can't stop panicking so I thought I'd ask on here.
Friday night I had a car accident. It was a real shock and it's only now that I've stopped to think about it that I'm feeling really really cross.
In the diagram I'm the blue line, the other driver is the green line. The thick lines show where we went, the thin lines indicate where you would have expected us to be going. Given that the lady tried to tell me she'd been going straight on when obviously she didn't makes me wonder if she had a mad moment!
Anyway, this particular roundabout leads onto a bridge over a dual carriageway. On the other side of this bridge you can go left onto a local road, or right to join the dual carriageway.
When we joined the roundabout, the other car was to my left. Neither of us indicated before joining the roundabout, however I did indicate left after I passed the 1st left exit as I was planning to go over the bridge and turn right to join the duel carriageway. As I was about to leave the roundabout the lady turned in front of me to head back round the roundabout and I hit her in the side of the car. Slow speed, maybe 15 mph.
It turns out that we have the same insurance company just to complicate matters.
I'm pretty sure that she is liable for this accident, what do you all think?

YABU: you are liable
YANBU: you are not liable

AIBU to think I have no liability here? (diagram attached)
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KrisAkabusi · 30/06/2025 13:25

If you had started taking the exit and she drove into you your side, she would 100% be at fault. But unfortunately, you drove into her. So it is inevitable that some of the responsibility is yours. I really can't see this going any way other than 50:50.

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 30/06/2025 13:24

helpfulperson · 30/06/2025 13:18

Hang on, you said she said she was going straight on. Did you hit her at a 90 degree angle or were you both trying to go head on and just drifted too close together?

No, despite her saying she was going straight on, her car was actually heading back round the roundabout. So the left front edge of my bumper hit her door.

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helpfulperson · 30/06/2025 13:23

To all those people talking about the 12 o clock rule, if that was applied the lane the OP was in would be lane purely for going all the way round the roundabout and back out the same direction. There is no other exit after the straight ahead one.

Icedlatteplease · 30/06/2025 13:23

Unless there are markings on the road to indicate the right hand lane is for straight over, you should have been in the left hand lane.

Both of you in the wrong lane will be 50/50

Otherwise it gets more complicated as it would be mostly her fault but you may have a small amount if liability on the base that you should have check the way was clear. That is likely to get very messy and depends on where the impact is on both cars

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 30/06/2025 13:22

KrisAkabusi · 30/06/2025 13:15

In order to not hit her at all I'd have had to come to a complete standstill on the roundabout.

Your update isn't helping. So what if you had to stop? It is still your responsibility to be aware of whats happening around you. Hitting her caused you both and everyone else to stop anyway.

I couldn't stop completely. There was no time.

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WiggyClawsThe2nd · 30/06/2025 13:20

Fratolish · 30/06/2025 13:12

But weren't you aware of her as you drove onto the roundabout? She must have been on your left the whole way and whilst you would have been entirely reasonable to assume she was turning left or coming off at your exit, you would also be checking to make sure she definitely was?

Yes. I was aware of her. But there was only a split second as I slowed to turn left when she speeded up, up to the moment of the turn her car was still turned to go straight on, she was still looking straight on, and her indicator nearest me wasn't on. That's why I'm wondering if she lost control.

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DoYouReally · 30/06/2025 13:20

You are clear bothe wrong.

You shouldn't have maneuvered without checking it was clear to do so.

She is clearly in the wrong lane and a case could also be made for you being in the wrong lane based in 12 o'clock rule.

helpfulperson · 30/06/2025 13:18

Hang on, you said she said she was going straight on. Did you hit her at a 90 degree angle or were you both trying to go head on and just drifted too close together?

AtrociousCircumstance · 30/06/2025 13:18

Looks like you were both in the wrong lane? You really ought to have been in the left lane, and she was obviously totally wrong to not be in the right lane.

Nourishinghandcream · 30/06/2025 13:18

Along with my OH, I was witness to an identical accident several years ago and it was interesting while not being as clear cut as people may think.
Happened while we were in the West Country on holiday.

Two cars enter roundabout on duel carriageway. LH car indicates right and while keeping within the lane, crossed the path of the RH car which is going straight on. Done at speed, the damage was considerable.
OH & I were driving directly behind and could clearly see there was going to be a collision so we slowed (and a good job we did!).

Police were parked just up the road and were on the scene in minutes.
We explained what we saw, gave a statement and we're told we would more than likely be called as witnesses.

In the following months, we were interviewed (at home) by the two different insurance companies as it was actually proving very difficult to prove liability and the damage costs were considerable (both cars written off plus injuries).
It all hinged on the fact that the LH car, while in the wrong lane and crossing the path of the RH car, was clearly indicating right (as we confirmed in our statements) and therefore there was the argument that the RH car should have slowed instead of going across the roundabout parallel with the other car.

Eventually (more than a year later) we were pre-warned that we would be compelled to attend court (200-miles away) as we were key witnesses to the case. Expecting to have to make arrangements to take time off work and travel to the West Country we were later told that they had finally agreed liability and we would no-longer be required.

Never did find out the exact outcome.😖

gottabereallyhonest · 30/06/2025 13:17

beetr00 · 30/06/2025 13:13

agree you're both in the wrong lane for where you wanted to travel.

On approach to a roundabout, IF you will be exiting past "12 o'clock" (on a metaphorical clock) she should have been in the right hand lane when entering the roundabout, therefore she is in the wrong lane.

But you should have been in the left lane as you were taking the second exit (i.e. at "12 o'clock")

Make sense? 😉

Edited

That is not correct. For going straight over where more than one lane exists, the highway code says that unless there are signs to say which lane to use, the driver should pick the "appropriate" lane. Without arrows and signs etc. the OP will have been entitled to use the right hand lane if she felt that was appropriate.

bruffin · 30/06/2025 13:17

TimeForTeaAndG · 30/06/2025 12:55

Sounds like she probably should have been in front or behind you in the right hand lane and realised that she was in the wrong lane. But, insurance will probably 50/50 it as it's a roundabout.

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This happened to us and insurance was in our favour

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 30/06/2025 13:17

2 more pictures for clarity....

AIBU to think I have no liability here? (diagram attached)
AIBU to think I have no liability here? (diagram attached)
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cherrycherrypickin · 30/06/2025 13:16

Former car claims handler here - although it's been many years. That's a 50/50 fault I'm afraid. Yes she was in the wrong lane but you didn't check your exit was clear.

Fratolish · 30/06/2025 13:15

beetr00 · 30/06/2025 13:13

agree you're both in the wrong lane for where you wanted to travel.

On approach to a roundabout, IF you will be exiting past "12 o'clock" (on a metaphorical clock) she should have been in the right hand lane when entering the roundabout, therefore she is in the wrong lane.

But you should have been in the left lane as you were taking the second exit (i.e. at "12 o'clock")

Make sense? 😉

Edited

Not necessarily true though - this roundabout is effectively two exits only. It absolutely makes sense for people going straight on to go in the right hand lane, otherwise nobody would use the right unless they're doubling back on themselves

KrisAkabusi · 30/06/2025 13:15

In order to not hit her at all I'd have had to come to a complete standstill on the roundabout.

Your update isn't helping. So what if you had to stop? It is still your responsibility to be aware of whats happening around you. Hitting her caused you both and everyone else to stop anyway.

HangryBrickShark · 30/06/2025 13:14

This is why you will nowspend £25 on a dash cam from Ebay so you can protect yourself in a scenario such as this.

gottabereallyhonest · 30/06/2025 13:14

So long as there is nothing to say you can't go straight over in the right hand lane, you have done nothing wrong.

However, unless the other person admits she wanted the exit after yours, you are going to have a big job proving your part. You are also supposed to ensure the lane next to you is clear before exiting (though I am still on your side). The same thing happened to me on leaving a two-lane roundabout. It went 50/50 even though I wasn't to blame...roundabouts are notorious for 50/50.

I would have said having same insurances makes it quicker and easier to resolve, if anything. All you can do is tell the truth and hope for the best.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 30/06/2025 13:14

You drove into the side of her so I can’t see how you’re not at least 50% to blame. She may have been in the wrong lane but that doesn’t mean you can just drive into the side of her car!

beetr00 · 30/06/2025 13:13

agree you're both in the wrong lane for where you wanted to travel.

On approach to a roundabout, IF you will be exiting past "12 o'clock" (on a metaphorical clock) she should have been in the right hand lane when entering the roundabout, therefore she is in the wrong lane.

But you should have been in the left lane as you were taking the second exit (i.e. at "12 o'clock")

Make sense? 😉

Fratolish · 30/06/2025 13:12

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 30/06/2025 12:59

I did check the inside, it was as I slowed to cross the inside lane that she appeared in front of me! I did brake but couldn't stop in time.

But weren't you aware of her as you drove onto the roundabout? She must have been on your left the whole way and whilst you would have been entirely reasonable to assume she was turning left or coming off at your exit, you would also be checking to make sure she definitely was?

CyberStrider · 30/06/2025 13:11

Strawber · 30/06/2025 13:11

Actually your both in the wrong so 50/50.

1st lane is for 1st exit and 12oclock straight ahead exit. For anything after 12oclock it’s right hand.

It's worrying how many people assume all roundabouts work like this

Strawber · 30/06/2025 13:11

Actually your both in the wrong so 50/50.

1st lane is for 1st exit and 12oclock straight ahead exit. For anything after 12oclock it’s right hand.

Lighteningstrikes · 30/06/2025 13:10

She is in the wrong.

BUT arguably (I think according to the Highway Code these days), you should have been in her lane and she should have been in your lane.

TheNightingalesStarling · 30/06/2025 13:10

For a two lane roundabout, its usually the responsibility of the right hand land driver to check the left hand lane is clear before crossing it.

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