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To wonder what ‘living as a woman’ means?

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Stressmode · 29/06/2025 16:59

I don’t think I ‘live as a woman’. I only wear men’s clothes, for work and at home. Don’t own makeup or any woman specific items. Hobbies are motorbikes and wood work. My job is in a traditionally male industry. I am the only woman on the team. I know I am genetically a woman. I have a womb and have given birth to a kid. My name is androgynous sounding. It is the name my parents picked for me.

Non of how I am is a sex thing, or an identity thing. I just like practicality and comfort.

I am constantly mistaken for a man. I get challenged about using womens toilets. I am nearly 6 foot tall. A lot of the time I enjoy male privilege. For example I can go running at night with worrying.

What does it mean to ‘live as a woman’? If I say I am a woman, is that enough? Why is it that men have to become a caricature of a woman to live as one?

Genuinely confused by this…

OP posts:
Ponoka7 · 29/06/2025 19:25

Lola Young could answer aspects of this, if she read the SM comments. She dares to not fully cover up her less than perfect body. She dares to perform in public, even though she isn't model material. The comments, typically include how she smells and what state her genitals are in. We can't just be. We don't get to just go about our lives without being criticised for not being decorative, or entertaining (smile love/not talking?).

murasaki · 29/06/2025 19:21

Jewel1968 · 29/06/2025 19:19

I have a female friend and I don't think she looks male but she often gets called sir. I don't know why. She is tall and has short hair but looks female to me.

OP - it's social and cultural. Living as a woman according to some people is adhering to social expectations of female sex. It will vary depending on culture. To some extent you are part of it cos you say - wear men's clothes. Why not just say - I wear trousers or jeans or whatever. In your head somewhere you think some clothes are male and some are female. I think we all do it and when I am aware I try and challenge myself.

I recently bought a T shirt for my DS. It was in 'men's section ' and was vaguely pink. More browny pink but I thought I will buy it. Well it's not getting worn. I knew deep down culturally and socially someone would think that was a female colour and I bought it trying to rock the boat.

We expect males to do certain things and females to do certain things. If we are more inclined to do the things culture expects of the opposite sex it cause a little jolt.

If society was more relaxed about what the sexes do or wear or look like perhaps people would be more relaxed

I'm totally relaxed about people wearing what they want, within the bounds of decency when out and about. But it doesn't make them something they're not.

28Fluctuations · 29/06/2025 19:20

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

It has nothing whatsoever to do with how you feel inside.

Jewel1968 · 29/06/2025 19:19

I have a female friend and I don't think she looks male but she often gets called sir. I don't know why. She is tall and has short hair but looks female to me.

OP - it's social and cultural. Living as a woman according to some people is adhering to social expectations of female sex. It will vary depending on culture. To some extent you are part of it cos you say - wear men's clothes. Why not just say - I wear trousers or jeans or whatever. In your head somewhere you think some clothes are male and some are female. I think we all do it and when I am aware I try and challenge myself.

I recently bought a T shirt for my DS. It was in 'men's section ' and was vaguely pink. More browny pink but I thought I will buy it. Well it's not getting worn. I knew deep down culturally and socially someone would think that was a female colour and I bought it trying to rock the boat.

We expect males to do certain things and females to do certain things. If we are more inclined to do the things culture expects of the opposite sex it cause a little jolt.

If society was more relaxed about what the sexes do or wear or look like perhaps people would be more relaxed

boobleblingo · 29/06/2025 19:17

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

Have you also been seeing yourself as a panda?

LlttledrummergirI · 29/06/2025 19:17

Approximately 32million women live in the UK, so there are at 32 million definitions of living as a woman right there.

Every life is unique, don't try to belittle this by putting them all in a box with a nice label and bow.

murasaki · 29/06/2025 19:17

Intrepidpanda doesn't share female biology, so is not living as a woman.

28Fluctuations · 29/06/2025 19:15

You are a woman. However you live is how a woman lives.

We all have different bodies and clothes and hair and interests and talents. We share our female biology. The rest is up to you.

murasaki · 29/06/2025 19:13

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

How are you living as a woman?

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 29/06/2025 19:13

boobleblingo · 29/06/2025 19:07

How can you feel like a woman? You either are or you aren't, there isn't some magical womany essence.

"Men's shirt, short skirt" according to Shania.

Today for me, living as a woman meant putting my period pants on before heading out for the day "just in case" as I knew there wasn't much by way of toilet provision where I was.
It also meant people joking "ohhhh! Are you menopausal?" Everytime I used my fan rather than saying "its hot isn't it?" Like they did to my son.

BMW6 · 29/06/2025 19:08

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

So if I felt like a black woman (I'm white), used fake tan and makeup to live as a black woman, called myself a black woman for 20 years, would you believe I've become a black woman?

boobleblingo · 29/06/2025 19:07

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

How can you feel like a woman? You either are or you aren't, there isn't some magical womany essence.

RinklyRomaine · 29/06/2025 19:03

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

What does that mean? How do you see yourself as female? You look down and see a female body or you feel you fit with what? Stereotypes?

intrepidpanda · 29/06/2025 19:00

I believe it's more how you feel within yourself rather than specific job or clothing. Living as a women for 10 years means I have been calling myself and seeing myself as female for 10 years

Didntask · 29/06/2025 18:12

Theresyoursalad · 29/06/2025 17:06

The only way to live as a woman, is to be an adult female human being. Regardless of what you wear, what you call yourself, who you sleep with, it's all irrelevant.

No male person lives as a woman and never can.

This

BMW6 · 29/06/2025 18:09

Well you probably get a double- take but I'm sure most women would recognise you as female after a moment

Stressmode · 29/06/2025 18:02

marshmallowpuff · 29/06/2025 17:35

I am constantly mistaken for a man. I get challenged about using womens toilets. I am nearly 6 foot tall. A lot of the time I enjoy male privilege. For example I can go running at night with worrying.

I know a fair few very tall women. None of them ever get mistaken for a man. And in nearly fifty years of using women’s loos, I’ve yet to see even a single woman “challenged” about using them. And how can women “enjoy male privilege”? I don’t know any women, not even the 6ft ones, who are under any impression that their height makes them immune to being attacked at night. Male strength isn’t just about height, but about body shape, size and musculature.

It sounds like you are in a very unusual position, OP, compared to other women.

Yup, I am size 20 through being really muscular from sport and working as a tree surgeon. Short hair and work clothes complete the picture. May be not what women expect to encounter when using the loos at motorway services!

OP posts:
tiatempo · 29/06/2025 17:40

You have female reproductive organs and hormones, may have periods, may be able to gestate, may go through the menopause.
You are more likely to be raped, abused and/or earn less than a person with male reproductive organs.
The rest is a fetish.

marshmallowpuff · 29/06/2025 17:35

I am constantly mistaken for a man. I get challenged about using womens toilets. I am nearly 6 foot tall. A lot of the time I enjoy male privilege. For example I can go running at night with worrying.

I know a fair few very tall women. None of them ever get mistaken for a man. And in nearly fifty years of using women’s loos, I’ve yet to see even a single woman “challenged” about using them. And how can women “enjoy male privilege”? I don’t know any women, not even the 6ft ones, who are under any impression that their height makes them immune to being attacked at night. Male strength isn’t just about height, but about body shape, size and musculature.

It sounds like you are in a very unusual position, OP, compared to other women.

RedBeech · 29/06/2025 17:30

Living as a woman = being a woman, biologically. No other criteria matter. Wear what you like, work in whatever trade you like, love and be attracted to whichever adults you like, have children or don't. I am sorry people challenge you because you 'look male'. The trend towards stereotyping femininity and masculinity is so restrictive.

BMW6 · 29/06/2025 17:29

You're living as a woman because you're a woman!

Being a woman doesn't mean what you wear, what work you do, even who you choose to have sex with.

It just means that you were born a woman and you're alive.

murasaki · 29/06/2025 17:28

There was a very good thread on this in the feminism and gender section. Some genuinely awful tales, and some good ones, none of which can be appropriated by a man in a frock.

ginasevern · 29/06/2025 17:27

HunnyPot · 29/06/2025 17:23

If you were would you identify as a woman?

No, I wouldn't have the gall!

Muffinmam · 29/06/2025 17:25

For most of us it’s living with a uterus, earning less than men and being dismissed by the medical profession.

HunnyPot · 29/06/2025 17:23

ginasevern · 29/06/2025 17:17

Despite all the shit and discrimination, I like being a woman. I hope I'm not reincarnated as a man.

If you were would you identify as a woman?