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Is it just a societal norm? (Breastfeeding related)

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Emerald95 · 29/06/2025 11:44

Inspired by last night's controversial opinions thread.
Many women on the thread were saying breastfeeding your child after 6m/1y/2y was weird and by that age a child should be on cow's milk.

I think it is odd to take away the milk made for your baby, and replace it with a cow's breastmilk made for a calf.
Why is giving a child cow's breast milk so normalised? Is it simply because that is what that generations before have done and thus become a societal norm?

I am not a vegan, or even a vegetarian. I am not against consuming animal products but it just seems very weird to be swapping milk produced by a mother for her specific child for milk made by a cow for her calf.

I understand when a child is older and away from their mother for longer periods of time at nursery ect that cow's milk would then be easier. But when the child is mainly at home with their mother, say under the age 3, why should she choose a cow's breastmilk over her own?

Those who hold the view that young children should move onto cow's milk instead of breastfeeding, why?

YABU- Cow's milk is better for a young child
YANBU- Swapping a young child from their mother's Breastmilk to Cow's breastmilk is weird

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whynotmereally · 29/06/2025 21:54

I’m not sure why it’s such an issue in the uk maybe because of the big push on formula over the last 50 years. It’s seen as weird/obscene to bfreast feed an older child. I bf ds until 15m and it was his choice to ween. A friend bf her son until he has 2 (21 months corrected) a doctor said she should stop at 18 m as he didn’t need it anymore.

whynotmereally · 29/06/2025 21:49

SpinningTops · 29/06/2025 12:22

I never understood it either but I fed one child until 18 months (when I became pregnant again) and the other until he was about 3.

I had the judgmental MIL comments but generally kept it fairly quiet as people do look at you with surprise. I wanted to shout ‘I’m not doing it for me!!’

My son is allergic to milk, even his allergy doctor was trying to push some foul smelling milk allergy formula from 6 months. I said ‘no thanks, I’ll just breastfeed’ and he looked at me like he’d never heard such a comment before …

Looking back I’m proud at going for that long and am now much more confident in telling people that I did!

Yes I was the same I cut dairy out for 18m surprisingly ds didn’t want the milk that smelt like rotting fish.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 29/06/2025 21:22

Humans are very good at putting down anyone who sets foot outside of the box of conformity. Thus, if the vast majority of the population drinks cows' milk, that is what you should do, and you're an oddball for preferring goats' milk or vegan versions.

Cows' breasts are called udders. They also produce a lot more milk than the average breastfeeding mother... like, up to 40 litres a day (depending on their stages of lactation and subsequent pregnancies), for years on end. They are believed to produce colostrum for the first 3 days (which is fed to their calf/calves), and then it is accepted as normal milk. Also, I read (in a book about dairy animals) that milk is the best thing that you can have, as it contains traces of virtually all vitamins and minerals, with the exceptions of things like iron and B12.

Furthermore, a lot of families can't afford to have one parent stay at home up until their child goes to full-time nursery or school, and I imagine that it's easier for nurseries to give everyone cows' milk rather than sorting through a vast array of breastmilk in bottles labelled with the children's names!

Parker231 · 29/06/2025 20:01

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My DC’s are perfectly healthy so nothing negative about the decision. Hopefully you will be as lucky that your children grow up as healthy as mine.

ChicaWowWow · 29/06/2025 20:00

TheCurious0range · 29/06/2025 19:33

I think your assertion that children are mainly at home with mum until they are 3 is wrong. I BF until just over a year at which point I went back to work and ds went to nursery and was also looked after by grandparents. Most families in our area have two working parents. I was also unable to successfully express I could do it but it took ages for a very small amount, I don't think I could've pumped enough for 4 days a week.

He was also using an open flow sippy cup by then and eating 3 square meals a day plus snacks. He grew disinterested before I did.

Both my kids when to nursery at 9mo as I went back to work. Me and partner work full time and I couldn't express either. I still carried on breastfeeding when babies were with me, they just had water when at nursery. Just to say that you don't have to be a SAHM to carry on bf, you can make it work anyway it suits you - and stopping when it suits you is perfectly valid too. This is not a dig at all - just that often, when mothers say they bf for long, a lot of people just assume theyre SAHM and that's the only way to make it work.

Raindropsandroses123 · 29/06/2025 19:59

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Parker231 · 29/06/2025 19:57

Raindropsandroses123 · 29/06/2025 19:48

Yea sure! Because deep down you know breastfeeding is better …. which it is.

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I know what I did was the best thing for my DC’s, me and our family. DC’s are now in their mid 20’s so I have the advantage of seeing how well it worked.
You make lots of decisions as parents but have no regrets of how we decided to feed our babies.
I feel sorry that you have so little consideration for decisions others make.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 29/06/2025 19:54

MagnifyingLass · 29/06/2025 18:28

Are you saying you think most women can’t bf? Or am I misunderstanding you?

No, sorry, I wasn't clear. I think many women (not all obvs) who bottle feed have tried and failed to breast feed. In the 90s you were totally made to feel like crap by the nurses and midwives and HV to boot if you didn't. I didn't breast feed any of mine but I'm pro bf if it's possible. I would've if I could've.

I tried bf my son. I gave it my best shot, but it just didn’t happen.

I didn’t beat myself up about it.

jannier · 29/06/2025 19:53

MaJoady · 29/06/2025 15:38

I'm not sure about this personally. I think there is a lot of pressure in western capitalist cultures to promote independence in babies and children that's outside their comfort zones. Sleep training babies and weaning/FF are a case in point.

In nature mammals aim to get their offspring to be independent so they can get on with having more offspring. So I'm guessing there is a strong natural tendancy to follow nature. Pre contraception most mums would be unable to feed 2 or 3 at a time you wean the older ones to feed the new.

Raindropsandroses123 · 29/06/2025 19:48

Parker231 · 29/06/2025 19:47

I never tried to breast feed as I didn’t want to - why would I need to try and make myself feel better when I did things the way I wanted to? What am I supposed to try and make myself feel better about?
Healthy and happy babies = happy parents.

Yea sure! Because deep down you know breastfeeding is better …. which it is.

NW3Lady · 29/06/2025 19:47

I’ve only read to the bottom of the first page yet I can’t believe nobody has pointed out that the advice is that you need to give formula up until age 1 in place of breastfeeding. It’s only after the first year that it can be replaced with cow’s milk.

Parker231 · 29/06/2025 19:47

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I never tried to breast feed as I didn’t want to - why would I need to try and make myself feel better when I did things the way I wanted to? What am I supposed to try and make myself feel better about?
Healthy and happy babies = happy parents.

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Tippexy · 29/06/2025 19:43

WannabeMathematician · 29/06/2025 19:26

Apart from the awful thread yesterday I find mumsnet full of breast feeding mums more than formula mums. Perhaps that’s because my child was formula fed and I just notice the difference more? I think I see the same things about people claiming teacher bashing is the only opinion about schools or that everyone is pro sleep training? We might just notice the people who disagree with us more?

I see SO many threads on here from posters who say they’re “exclusively breastfeeding,” but then their posts almost inevitably go on to say they give a bottle of formula every evening! 😂

Tippexy · 29/06/2025 19:41

The poster who first stated it has an interesting posting history. Suffice to say, she doesn’t have children, and doesn’t understand the weaning process.

TheCurious0range · 29/06/2025 19:33

I think your assertion that children are mainly at home with mum until they are 3 is wrong. I BF until just over a year at which point I went back to work and ds went to nursery and was also looked after by grandparents. Most families in our area have two working parents. I was also unable to successfully express I could do it but it took ages for a very small amount, I don't think I could've pumped enough for 4 days a week.

He was also using an open flow sippy cup by then and eating 3 square meals a day plus snacks. He grew disinterested before I did.

shirlem · 29/06/2025 19:33

I know someone who BF until child was 3. They did a whole thing as he could actually understand it. I say go for it, I really wish I could've BF and if you're able to do it for that long then that's amazing!

Parker231 · 29/06/2025 19:33

I don’t know what thread posters are referring to but there were comments yesterday that you are selfish using formula as you aren’t putting your baby first and that you shouldn’t work at all if your baby is under the age of one and only part time until the age of three - some posters are totally odd and don’t live in the real world!

MammaTo · 29/06/2025 19:27

I always think it’s the people who are the least secure in their decisions that have the most to say.

WannabeMathematician · 29/06/2025 19:26

Apart from the awful thread yesterday I find mumsnet full of breast feeding mums more than formula mums. Perhaps that’s because my child was formula fed and I just notice the difference more? I think I see the same things about people claiming teacher bashing is the only opinion about schools or that everyone is pro sleep training? We might just notice the people who disagree with us more?

Vimaybe · 29/06/2025 19:25

@Parker231 of course it doesn't, I completely agree and I'm afraid I don't have a perfect answer for you. My response was that judgement is just as stupid and illogical as someone setting a time frame on how long breastfeeding is acceptable for.

Emerald95 · 29/06/2025 19:22

namechangeGOT · 29/06/2025 15:44

I just don’t get why anyone gives a single shit or has the time to form an opinion on how someone’s child is raised.

Why can’t you just do you? You want to give your kid breast milk til they’re 3? Knock yourself out, but you’re not a better mother than someone who has chosen to bottle feed the whole way through!

No one actually cares. We’re all too busy looking after our families, doing well at our jobs, having good times, dealing with bad times to give a single shit about how Donna from 4 doors down feeds her kid. So long as Donna from 4 doors down, is actually, feeding her kid.

I would last night's thread shows some people do in fact feel very strongly with their anti breastfeeding views. But I agree, everyone's circumstances are different so there is no 'right way' for everyone

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Parker231 · 29/06/2025 19:20

Vimaybe · 29/06/2025 19:15

@PothasProblemsums it all up very well. I breastfed my DS until he was three and a half, I would of personally done it until he was ready to stop but unfortunately I weakened and the pressure of comments from others got to me. I'm proud of the positive feeding relationship I had with my son though and he's said he remembers how cuddly and warm he felt.

Personally I find people who don't even want to try breastfeeding odd, but that's me being judgemental about things that don't concern me. I accept that and wouldn't publicly share that thought as I understand how much it may hurt someone. I haven't always been so breastfeeding positive either I didn't even really want children but when I fell pregnant decided I'd do it as I kept being told 'it's best'. I then found it incredibly easy and getting my son to eat solids incredibly hard so we continued, it genuinely seemed to fix every baby/toddler illness/sleepless night/tantrum.

I find mumsnet very anti breastfeeding so I suppose I wasn't shocked seeing all those comments.

You are publicly sharing that you’re judgemental of those of us who don’t try to breast fed. Why - it doesn’t make you a better mother.

Parker231 · 29/06/2025 19:18

queenmeadhbh · 29/06/2025 18:32

its not just that you can’t say anything positive about it - its that you cannot even disagree with statements like “bf past 6
months is unnecessary” or “BF past a year is for the mother not the child” without being told that you shouldn’t care, that it’s shaming and smug to talk about breastfeeding, that there’s no need to think you’re a better mother just because etc etc.

i am not smug or think I’m better but I am allowed to say that I believe that statements like “babies should only be bf until 6 months” are nonsense and harmful!

No different than you can’t be positive about using formula? Many on Mn are judgemental on anyone doing something different than they do.

Vimaybe · 29/06/2025 19:15

@PothasProblemsums it all up very well. I breastfed my DS until he was three and a half, I would of personally done it until he was ready to stop but unfortunately I weakened and the pressure of comments from others got to me. I'm proud of the positive feeding relationship I had with my son though and he's said he remembers how cuddly and warm he felt.

Personally I find people who don't even want to try breastfeeding odd, but that's me being judgemental about things that don't concern me. I accept that and wouldn't publicly share that thought as I understand how much it may hurt someone. I haven't always been so breastfeeding positive either I didn't even really want children but when I fell pregnant decided I'd do it as I kept being told 'it's best'. I then found it incredibly easy and getting my son to eat solids incredibly hard so we continued, it genuinely seemed to fix every baby/toddler illness/sleepless night/tantrum.

I find mumsnet very anti breastfeeding so I suppose I wasn't shocked seeing all those comments.

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