Nadiya Hussain responds to critics

But what if she was selected because they were looking to make their offering more diverse and she fit the bill perfectly? Right place, right time. Tv programmes are not based on pure skill. They are based on what the programme commissioners think is the public mood and what will appeal. At the time Nadiya won bake off, she was perfect for a hole in the market in that sort of show. Had she been a white male at that point there wouldn’t have been a offer - the market is already saturated with that sort of thing. She got the show because of her characteristics. That will never stop being the case.

Comparing Nadia with Trump. Your finest post.

I wonder how many messages Trump receives telling him he should be grateful 😂

Is it? Not something I've ever heard. Why should a millionaire who has worked to earn their millions be grateful?

They told her to be grateful because IT IS NORMAL IN OUR CULTURE TO TELL MILLIONAIRES TO BE GRATEFUL regardless of their race, gender, religion etc.

*How is it a loaded “question fallacy”?"

This bit:

You’re saying it’s racist to tell people from “immigrant families” to be grateful when they’re become overnight millionaires even though it is a common attitude held by the British public towards all celebrities and millionaires.You refuse to inform us how remedy it…

You're assuming equivalence where there is none. Nadiya didn't moan her show was cancelled. She responded in a totally typical way - thanking people, watch this space etc.

People then flooded her with messages telling her she should be grateful. Why? Because they don't really think she earned/ deserved her success in the first place. Because she's brown, they assume she got there on the "token" card as people have repeatedly expressed on this thread. So people flooded her with messages to remind her of her place and make sure she appropriately humbled herself.

Nadiya responded by explaining how this tracks with her entire experience as a brown, immigrant woman born and bred in the UK. People start with the assumption that she isn't entitled to/ doesn't really deserve anything she has - even the basic fact of being here is something that was never really owed to her. So she should be grateful. And that's exhausting, because it denies her her humanity. Because the reality is that nobody feels grateful for everything all the time. Because that's not human.

There is no equivalence to be drawn anywhere, in any part of this story, with white, British celebrities and millionaires. Your question assumes there is and then demands an answer as to why there should be a "double standard". loaded question fallacy.

*How is it a loaded “question fallacy”?"

This bit:

You’re saying it’s racist to tell people from “immigrant families” to be grateful when they’re become overnight millionaires even though it is a common attitude held by the British public towards all celebrities and millionaires.You refuse to inform us how remedy it…

You're assuming equivalence where there is none. Nadiya didn't moan her show was cancelled. She responded in a totally typical way - thanking people, watch this space etc.

People then flooded her with messages telling her she should be grateful. Why? Because they don't really think she earned/ deserved her success in the first place. Because she's brown, they assume she got there on the "token" card as people have repeatedly expressed on this thread. So people flooded her with messages to remind her of her place and make sure she appropriately humbled herself.

Nadiya responded by explaining how this tracks with her entire experience as a brown, immigrant woman born and bred in the UK. People start with the assumption that she isn't entitled to/ doesn't really deserve anything she has - even the basic fact of being here is something that was never really owed to her. So she should be grateful. And that's exhausting, because it denies her her humanity. Because the reality is that nobody feels grateful for everything all the time. Because that's not human.

There is no equivalence to be drawn anywhere, in any part of this story, with white, British celebrities and millionaires. Your question assumes there is and then demands an answer as to why there should be a "double standard". loaded question fallacy.

Hi,
How is it a loaded “question fallacy”?

You’re saying it’s racist to tell people from “immigrant families” to be grateful when they’re become overnight millionaires even though it is a common attitude held by the British public towards all celebrities and millionaires.
You refuse to inform us how remedy it…

(because you’re talking nonsense.)

The BBC were still picking presenters for ability then, rather than if they ticked a box

Perfect example of the attitudes held by the British public. This is why she received so many messages telling her to be grateful. People don't think she deserved her success because she's brown, so, with those messages they sent her, they are reminding her of her "proper place" as a brown, immigrant woman.

This is what Nadiya was responding to - she wasn't "moaning" that her show was cancelled.

And that is why neither @Wilfulignoranceabounds nor I answered your question @Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim because it was completely and utterly beside the point, perfect example of a loaded question fallacy.

Yes, the Hairy Bikers started about 20 years ago. The BBC were still picking presenters for ability then, rather than if they ticked a box.

The Hairy Bikers worked for the BBC for years what are you talking about ?

Lets compare her to... Scarlett Moffet shall we. Plucked off Googlebox. Offered a place on I'm a Celeb. Wins. Get a gig on Ant and Dec Saturday show and the I'm a celeb after show. She was an average presenter and it fizzled out. She bounced around doing her own TV shows and now we only see her when she pops up on game shows or is sat on a toilet advertisings tampons. Yet you never hear her saying 'oh it's not fair, I was given a huge opportunity and lots of support but I'm not getting the jobs anymore and people are saying I should be grateful and I know they are only saying that because I'm female/northern/fat'. She is grateful however. Grateful because she was given such an huge opportunity that other people on gogglebox never got. She can still make a living out of it and has amassed more wealth than she probably ever imagined. (nice house etc) and had some amazing experiences money can't buy (I remember her being invited to Jonathan Ross' Halloween party) that she probably ever imagined. She is getting on with it. Taking it on the chin. Accepting what she can get and not giving up and moaning.
It was the same with Nadia, but rather than being grateful that the BBC saw something in her and gave a huge chance, that others on the Bake Off didn't get, she is moaning because - after 10 years of making lots of money and having a huge profile - she is still churning out the same weird recipes and no-one is interested in watching her, so the BBC have moved on without her.
She should be grateful because she was a nobody who got a huge opportunity. Not because of the colour of her skin, her gender, her religion or what is on her birth certificate. That she is making it about anything that shows she has a massive chip on her shoulder.
For all those saying 'well if you don't understand what she is staying, that's your problem'. No it isn't. It is her problem. She needs to stop playing the diversity card and admit to herself she's had a massive leg up and a good run. If she wants more she needs to put the work in herself rather than expecting a large corporation to do it all for her.

Or maybe it’s because you lack comprehension skills. There’s no debate to keep up with if you don’t even understand the point in the first place.

At no point did I state that I was incapable of answering your question so, no, it is not a “fact”. Clearly, reading comprehension is not your strong point, as you make ever more apparent. Anyway, I’m done. Hope your week is significantly better than your comprehension skills. Peace✌🏾

Ah ha, the classic MN put down when someone can't keep up with the debate. 'You lack comprehension skills.' How original. 🙄

Lets compare her to... Scarlett Moffet shall we. Plucked off Googlebox. Offered a place on I'm a Celeb. Wins. Get a gig on Ant and Dec Saturday show and the I'm a celeb after show. She was an average presenter and it fizzled out. She bounced around doing her own TV shows and now we only see her when she pops up on game shows or is sat on a toilet advertisings tampons. Yet you never hear her saying 'oh it's not fair, I was given a huge opportunity and lots of support but I'm not getting the jobs anymore and people are saying I should be grateful and I know they are only saying that because I'm female/northern/fat'. She is grateful however. Grateful because she was given such an huge opportunity that other people on gogglebox never got. She can still make a living out of it and has amassed more wealth than she probably ever imagined. (nice house etc) and had some amazing experiences money can't buy (I remember her being invited to Jonathan Ross' Halloween party) that she probably ever imagined. She is getting on with it. Taking it on the chin. Accepting what she can get and not giving up and moaning.
It was the same with Nadia, but rather than being grateful that the BBC saw something in her and gave a huge chance, that others on the Bake Off didn't get, she is moaning because - after 10 years of making lots of money and having a huge profile - she is still churning out the same weird recipes and no-one is interested in watching her, so the BBC have moved on without her.
She should be grateful because she was a nobody who got a huge opportunity. Not because of the colour of her skin, her gender, her religion or what is on her birth certificate. That she is making it about anything that shows she has a massive chip on her shoulder.
For all those saying 'well if you don't understand what she is staying, that's your problem'. No it isn't. It is her problem. She needs to stop playing the diversity card and admit to herself she's had a massive leg up and a good run. If she wants more she needs to put the work in herself rather than expecting a large corporation to do it all for her.

At no point did I state that I was incapable of answering your question so, no, it is not a “fact”. Clearly, reading comprehension is not your strong point, as you make ever more apparent. Anyway, I’m done. Hope your week is significantly better than your comprehension skills. Peace✌🏾

The fact you can’t answer the question speaks volumes.

Both of you.

Yes and I doubt if a white male would have got the job with the BBC in the first place. Nadiya was a worthy bake off winner but I didn't rate any of her cookery programmes. I think the BBC were falling over themselves to use presenters who were not white. Nowadays it's it's transpeople, they will probably replace her with a trans chef.

This is exactly it. This is why people are sending her messages saying she should be grateful. Because they don’t think she deserved any of the opportunities she had in the first place. Because she’s brown.

This is what she was saying in the video- her whole life people have been telling her she needs to feel grateful for everything that she has- just for being here- because she’s brown, she’s an immigrant, she never had a right to be here in the first place- just like she never really earned that TV job ! Right ?

But actually she’s allowed to have the full range of human emotions - like any one else- including sadness , disappointment, anger, bitterness. She doesn’t always have to be grateful. Just because she’s brown.