Paid nursery inset days

Absolutely ridiculous. Check your contract. If this wasn't agreed or there's not a clause for it then it shouldn't be charged for.

Surely the other parents are also annoyed about it? Maybe get together and argue against it.

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No. If you pay to have your ears syringed, you don’t pay unless the nurse is actually there to syringe your ears. Do you really think that’s what happens? You pay for the appointment and if they’re on training then you just lose out? 😂

I read what you wrote. You said nurse training is paid for from overhead costs not for individual session payments (i.e. the same way energy and insurance are paid for) - which would be perfectly reasonable. That’s what nurseries should do - and many do do.

The difference is:

1. Charging when no service is provided is charging for costs and profit, not just costs.
2. Charging when a service is not provided unfairly impacts parents of children in on that day or that time of the year, when all children benefit from the training.

I’ll ask again. Can you name any other situation where you pay per session for a service and still pay for that session when they refuse to provide the service?

I paid for 4 years of private nursery without a sodding inset day, they are taking the piss @Zombiefluff but I expect they will all be at it.

Our nursery paid overtime in the evenings and weekends for training and they also closed for a week at Easter and Christmas. They manage without inset days.

Yes it is a difficult sector to operate in, yes they work very hard and the pay is poor. But the people running them are not paupers. My friend does the accounts for several nurseries, they are not on the breadline. The same day out nursery announced it’s latest fee increase the owner turned up in an £85k car leased on the business. They don’t require any sympathy (unlike the staff).

Evenings and weekends, they are running a business.

Our son’s nursery also provided wraparound care for primary school children. We found they were charging for inset days but not coinciding these with the local primary - so they’d be shut on their inset days but also not need to provide care on school’s inset days, while still charging us for these days as well. A few of us parents got together and complained - we didn’t mind paying for the school inset days even though we didn’t need the childcare, but we did mind paying twice AND having to arrange alternative childcare on the days school was open but nursery/wraparound was having an inset day. They were taking the piss.

No one should be working unpaid. Your boss is not treating you well.

Some nurseries ask staff to train unpaid on their days off so the staff there will may be doing it over the weekend and then back in on the Monday.

I did! I used your ear waxing one! You pay for the NHS service. Some days that nurse you want is not in as they are on training. You paid for that so cannot attend when you want. You have to attend a different day. You paid for both the training and the ear waxing. Did you not read what I wrote?

Not my fault if you didn't understand. So yes I gave one. Cool.

We pay for inset days. All the staff seem happy, the nursery doesn't have a high turnover of staff, they are well trained. It is what it is! Good thing imo.

Do you get paid to do training for your job? Then so should nursery staff - hence the need to pay for that day.

I didn’t know this about not allocating free hours on those days - Thankyou for bringing that up.

Our nursery is a small chain and they have 5 inset days spread through the year, on different days of the week. I get all the people saying “when do you expect them to do training etc?”, BUT, I have friends with kids in other very good nurseries that don’t have inset days. So how do some nurseries manage it and others don’t?

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. I work in a customer facing role and we don’t shut to manage our staff training, we work around our customers. There must be other ways to make it work in a nursery setting?

Having said that, I’ve never worked in a nursery and understand there may be a very good reason that I haven’t considered. Very happy to hear and learn!

Is this new...dd never had a day off nursery due to onset and she was there for 3 and a half years...ok part time but still

So, no, you can’t provide one single other example of this practice? Not one. Cool.

You pay for the nurses to have their training and for your ears waxing! You pay your taxes, right? That money goes to pay for additional training for nurses during the course of the year.

So ask the gov for some tax back now you are pissed you had to pay for your ears waxing AND training! Gutted for you mate!

How do you propose the nursery pay the staff if they cannot use client's money? Ask the government? Have a fun day and ask parent to donate?

They can take it out of profits which are......guess what? Profits from parents money!

It’s vitally important that nurses are trained but if I pay to have my ear syringed then I expect to have them actually syringed, not have the nurse off on training.

It’s vitally important that dentists are trained but if I get charged for a check up, I expect my dentist there and not on training.

Swimming instructors, security guards, football coaches all need to be trained - none of them charge for a session that they won’t actually provide.

No one, literally not one person, has not “valued” training. The complaint isn’t that they’re trained 🙄 The problem is saying “we charge £X per session and still charge £X even if we refuse to do the session”.

Name any other service where you pay per session and still have to pay if you don’t get a session. Any. Just one will do.

You are paying for a service. You are paying to have trained staff care for your kids. If you dont value the importance of training then by all means that is your entitlement. If you think it is bad to pay to have staff working for you then Jesus Christ no wonder it is so low pay when people dont appreciate they are caring for peoples most valuable thing but are treated as if they shouldn't get a scrap of money for that.

All workers are entitled to pay when they work. It isnt new or unique to nurseries. If they dont pay them then they will get fined for not paying NMW to staff. Not sure why we think staff should work for nothing.

Childcare and education is always the same. People think they can snap fingers and staff do as they are told for no money. Absolutely not.

None of the private nurseries I used had inset days. Yes the school nursery did but that was to be expected.

and especially annoying if this hasn’t been the approach up until now.

Do you apply this logic to any other job/service?

If you had a cleaning company send a cleaner and they said “your cleaner isn’t coming this week because she’s on training but you still need to pay” would you go “yeah, that’s fair, don’t want an untrained cleaner”?

If you had a dog walker and they said “sorry, not coming, I’m going on my annual dog training course, you still have to pay” then that’d fine?

If you paid to have your hair cut and were told that your appointment is cancelled but you have to pay anyway because your hairdresser is training, you’d be ok?

A private tutor? Nail tech? Window cleaner?

Can you name any other profession where you pay per session where you’re still expected to pay when they don’t provide the service? Everyone one of them still needs paying by an employer, none of those businesses charge for non-performance.

This is pretty common. Six is a lot in my experience - ours has just four and they give a lot of notice. We take leave or juggle between us xx

It is normal to have lots of training through the year. You just don't usually see it as in some settings they work over the weekend and have no break to ensure it is done.

That is more of a concern than staff being paid to train and have rest days as required by law.