Where are the trans men?

I am a woman because I was born one. A female. That is my sex. It’ll never change. I also don’t feel like I’m 43, I just am.

It’s not difficult.

What you are saying is "I am a woman because I know I am a woman"

You cannot define it any more clearly than you keep trying to demand we do

It's just something you know. Which is what transpeople know, they know they aren't the person their body supposedly reflects

So you're saying that being a woman is defined by certain biological functions?

Which is saying that women who cannot perform those biological functions "aren't real/full women"

Got it.

I'm sure all those women who do experience gender dysphoria because they cannot perform or conform to those biological functions will be delighted to know you agree with them

Trans men pass more easily than trans women.

Well, this has become very polarised and I don't see either side changing their views!

I'm no expert and I certainly don't "hate" anybody.

I have two points/thoughts.

On sport - I do have an issue with biological males in women's sport, due to concerns of fairness and safety. To say transmen have competed in men's sport may be true, but it's not the same issue, because they don't have the same innate physical advantage that biological males have. That I imagine is why there are no male sportspeople arguing against the inclusion of transmen. Also because I suspect it happens a lot less. Yes, women can beat men (Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs, for instance) but it's a lot less likely especially at a high level.

More generally - yes, there have always been "transsexual" people, but they used to be very very few, usually men who went to great lengths to become "female" via what used to be called sex change operations. Why are there now so very many, most of whom don't have any kind of surgery? You could argue it's because society is now more accepting of people being their true selves. But I struggle to believe that there are now so very many more people (including legions of young teenage girls) whose true selves are the opposite sex when there's no evidence of this being a major issue in the past. At my DD's school it seemed like every second person was trans or non-binary, and I strongly suspect most of them will not continue to be so in adult life, because there's so obviously an element of it being fashionable/high profile/attractive to confused young people who feel a bit different. (And it's a bit old hat just to be gay now, it seems.)

I'm not saying nobody is "genuinely" trans. But it has to be a lot less than currently seems to be the case, surely.

Coming back to this bit of misinformation. Anyone who still believes the particular stream of feminism that produced the nugget that sport was only ever sex segregated because of the 'boys club', perhaps this website will throw the light instantly on why sports are separated by sex so that female people have the same opportunities through fair competition.

boysvswomen.com/#/

It was a question. How is that 'oozing hate'?

It oozes from the OP particularly when a little research would have told the OP the numbers are equal

In England and Wales, the 2021 census indicated roughly equal numbers of trans men and trans women, with approximately 48,000 individuals identifying as each, according to the Office for National Statistics. This data represents a portion of the 262,000 people who reported a gender identity different from their sex registered at birth.

Have you checked these sources for what they do and don’t explicitly state as being included in these statistics?

For instance has misgendering been included in these statistics?

CPS good enough?

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

Where are you seeing this 'hate' from the OP?

It would have been quicker just to say you hate trans women (and probably men as well).

Do you have any evidence to back your claims, seeing as it’s so well known?

That's nonsense though. Ultimately women are at far more danger from men than 'transwomen' will ever be from anyone.

Though I look forward to you posting that study where misgendering is classified as a 'hate crime' and therefore concluding transwomen are 'victims of violence' to a greater degree than all the women raped and murdered every year.

Oh do you, care to have any evidence for that because it’s well known that the trans community are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the cisgender community so it makes zero sense.

Because laws, safeguarding, conducting ourselves in a civilised society require clear definitions, rules, guidelines.

Why do you think this one specific group of men should get access to women's spaces and services when no other men do?

Why the need to be so black and white?

You know it is possible to sort out difficulties and sticking points without being so dogmatic and dictatorial as regards what goes on in the brains of others.

The issue here is not so much what an individual believes about himself/herself. It's whether the rest of us are compelled to behave as if we believe it too and suffer adverse consequences if we don't. No other type of disordered thinking is treated as a civil rights rather than a psychological issue. In this case also, we have the adverse consequences of allowing gender to trump sex. Safeguarding is impossible. Women, children, people with disabilities, frail elderly people and lesbians, gay men and bisexuality people all lose hard-won protections. Where's the kindness to them?

*Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?"

Transmen are more common than trans women I believe.

Women have been going into men's spaces like toilets and changing rooms for years ( some countries have even established their legal right to do so ) so transmen using them is nothing new.....

I think that is sadly very true

Why does so called 'kindness' from women need to involve opening their sex segregated spaces / services / sports to a group of men? Thus undermining their own safety, dignity and opportunities?

We have a sex, observed at birth, often known long before then. It's not assigned.

I work in mental health care. I have come across a number of women who now identify as men. These women had trauma from sexual violence from men in their adolescence. They appear to have decided to identify as men to make themselves less attractive TO men.

For you. You don’t get to decide for other women who don’t want biological men in their spaces. Consent isn’t transferable.

Of course we can identify out of our sex. Same as we can identify out of nationality or anything else really. You don’t get to dictate what goes on in the brains of others. We have an assigned biological gender that we were given at birth and we also have a gender we identify with which for most matches. I have nothing but empathy and support for those whose gidentified gender doesn’t match with their assigned gender.

It’s kindness and how we support those people that matters not continual obsessive political rhetoric by some. Of course that will all be ignored by the zealots but it goes both ways. Those of us with kindness and empathy for others particularly those who have had a rough ride can and will focus on that not a political hobby horse.