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Please talk me out of IVF!!

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wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 09:32

Trying to conceive DC2 since years, it's not working, husband got extremely bad sperm and my cycle is fairly unpredictable.

Having first DC was already a challenge but happened naturally after 2 years, we were immensely lucky and our child is our world.
It's not happening a second time now and we were told only chance is ICSI. There are many reasons not to do IVF:

  1. I have a prolactinoma (a benign brain tumour) that can react to IVF hormones and grow, and worst case, bleed into the brain (first pregnancy was closely monitored- natural conception is still risky but nowhere near as risky when doing IVF with the shots etc.)
  2. We would spend literally all of our savings doing IVF
  3. If I did do IVF abroad, I would have to leave my DC in the care of others for a while which I don't want to do
  4. DH is totally content with one child.

I am unable to put it out of my mind and think about it constantly. I am 37 and time is running out, and I keep thinking maybe it will only need one go and then I will be happy forever? My whole life will be "fuller" with two kids? I also think I might worry less about my existing DC if there was another one?

Or is that thinking not quite correct, for those of you who have several children?

Please, please give my head a wobble and tell me your thoughts!
AIBU- don't do it
YANBU- risk it all and do IVF

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wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 11:33

SeriouslyStressed · 27/06/2025 11:18

Have you adopted? It’s very different to raising birth children and can be extremely challenging

Yes, as much as I applaud people who adopt, I know first hand from friends how extremely challenging it can be, I just couldn't do it especially when you have a child already

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SeriouslyStressed · 27/06/2025 11:18

Dilemma4ever · 27/06/2025 09:48

You could still have more children through other means - have you considered adoption?

Have you adopted? It’s very different to raising birth children and can be extremely challenging

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 11:12

inasillyfrillydress · 27/06/2025 10:58

What has your husband done so far to improve his sperms quality?

Edited

Loose boxers, a ton of supplements, acupuncture, a visit to a top-notch urologist who prescribed some very very expensive supplement from overseas.... he also said that given my DH had undescended testicles that only got operated on when he was 13 (apparently standard in the 80s) it's extremely fortunate we actually were able to have one without ICSI...

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Mulledjuice · 27/06/2025 11:11

KimberleyClark · 27/06/2025 09:40

A prolactinoma isn’t a brain tumour but a tumour of the pituitary gland that sits underneath it. I would still not risk IVF though.

Way to m
iss the point

inasillyfrillydress · 27/06/2025 10:58

What has your husband done so far to improve his sperms quality?

Doggielovecharlotte · 27/06/2025 10:58

You are running after things that won’t make you happy. You’ll just find something else to worry around.

you have a child!

id go to therapy..it can help you accept what is and get back to joy in what you have already, which is a lot, a lot more than most. Think of people with NO children

Allswellthatendswelll · 27/06/2025 10:56

We had issues conceiving our second (male factor) but we were lucky enough to concieve naturally after 18 months. We were looking at IVF.

Now she's here I wouldn't be without DD for anything BUT I so see the benefits of one child now especially as DS is a bit older!
Of course now I'd love 3 on some level but it isn't a good idea health and wealth wise. Anyway I know having 2 kids I'm speaking from a privileged position but now I'm out the other side a bit I can see the urge to have more children can be so strong but probably does pass. I have lots of friends v happy with one and they can do a lot more.

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:52

LividVermiciousKnid · 27/06/2025 10:47

I had three IVF miscarriages. One of them put me in intensive care. When I say the physical side of IVF despite that was NOTHING compared to the emotional trauma of it, I really mean it.

But I would have carried on literally until it killed me, because the urge to have a child was so overwhelming it was worth MY life, and I mean that. (I eventually had miracle child naturally, a whole other story).

My point is that you already have a child, and while I know secondary infertility is painful I genuinely believe it's a different pain to having no child at all.

You will at best invest thousands of pounds and all your emotional availability into IVF. And that's if it works. In your circumstances, with a medical condition, gently I think you'd be barmy. You're risking your health and your future with the DC you do have. It's so all-consuming and your DC deserves your health and attention.

(My final fertility was taken by losing my fallopian tubes after DC was born, and in some ways I was glad as it meant I could grieve my fertility rather than keep trying. So I do get it. I really do)

Oh my goodness that sounds so so tough. Thank you so much for sharing your story and I am so pleased that you got a miracle baby after all- it's so unbelievable how these things can happen even after years of trying and IVF, it amazes me!

You are so right about the difference of primary vs secondary infertility. I hope you and your family are very happy, I wish you all the best.

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JustMyView13 · 27/06/2025 10:48

Don’t do it.
You cannot ask your daughter to compromise on a life with a loving mother, just to fulfil your want of another baby.

LividVermiciousKnid · 27/06/2025 10:47

I had three IVF miscarriages. One of them put me in intensive care. When I say the physical side of IVF despite that was NOTHING compared to the emotional trauma of it, I really mean it.

But I would have carried on literally until it killed me, because the urge to have a child was so overwhelming it was worth MY life, and I mean that. (I eventually had miracle child naturally, a whole other story).

My point is that you already have a child, and while I know secondary infertility is painful I genuinely believe it's a different pain to having no child at all.

You will at best invest thousands of pounds and all your emotional availability into IVF. And that's if it works. In your circumstances, with a medical condition, gently I think you'd be barmy. You're risking your health and your future with the DC you do have. It's so all-consuming and your DC deserves your health and attention.

(My final fertility was taken by losing my fallopian tubes after DC was born, and in some ways I was glad as it meant I could grieve my fertility rather than keep trying. So I do get it. I really do)

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:46

TrulyMiss · 27/06/2025 10:43

OP have you had therapy? I had infertility issues and found it invaluable to talk it through with someone objective. I was also fixated on that idea of what if something happened to my son and would I feel better if I had another etc. Ultimately my fertility treatment didn't work out and I decided to stop but it is a decision you have to come to in your own time. One thing I found helpful at times was to agree to leave it for a period, say 6 months, and the. Consider it again to try and stop that constant loop of thoughts... might be worth a go. Also 5 or ) months later it has all sunk in and I would say I'm 99% content with our one!

I did actually start therapy twice and I am open to these things, however unfortunately and due to no fault of the therapist, I didn't think this helped at all. The fact remained that I want a second, it doesn't work, and there didn't seem to be much to talk about rather than these facts really

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wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:45

Redbushteaforme · 27/06/2025 10:39

I'm not sure I would take the risk personally, as you need to think of your existing child and their quality of life if things went wrong. Having said that, I did take the risk of doing a frozen embryo cycle after having had a premature baby due to pre-eclampsia - but I did get medical advice and the odds I was given of having severe pre-eclampsia and another premature baby were low enough for me to take the risk. (Plus I felt morally obliged to give my frozen embryos a chance.)

One suggested thing to consider: you say that the IVF hormone injections are a major risk factor for your condition. Have you looked into natural IVF, which does not use additional hormones?

Thank you for your post. The problem even with natural IVF is that we cannot really afford it....well we can, we have the savings, but we would end up broke if we had to do like 3 rounds, which is probably what is required.

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TrulyMiss · 27/06/2025 10:43

OP have you had therapy? I had infertility issues and found it invaluable to talk it through with someone objective. I was also fixated on that idea of what if something happened to my son and would I feel better if I had another etc. Ultimately my fertility treatment didn't work out and I decided to stop but it is a decision you have to come to in your own time. One thing I found helpful at times was to agree to leave it for a period, say 6 months, and the. Consider it again to try and stop that constant loop of thoughts... might be worth a go. Also 5 or ) months later it has all sunk in and I would say I'm 99% content with our one!

CommissarySushi · 27/06/2025 10:42

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:35

To those mentioning adoption, a friend of mine has adopted siblings so i have a bit of insight. I applaud everyone who does it but it is a huge gamble and there almost always is an enormous amount of trauma involved, you need lots of resilience to deal with this and I personally don't think I could deal with this, especially when you have a child at home already

I think your logic is skewed there. Would you not risking all those things by attempting IVF? The trauma of your child losing a mother or suffering a life-altering stroke?

IVF would be a huge gamble too.

BIossomtoes · 27/06/2025 10:40

if that was to happen, I would never be able to forgive myself for not just being content.

To be brutal - and I’m really sorry to say this - you’d probably be dead and leave your child motherless. Really, please don’t do it. I was told another pregnancy would be tantamount to suicide. I listened.

Redbushteaforme · 27/06/2025 10:39

I'm not sure I would take the risk personally, as you need to think of your existing child and their quality of life if things went wrong. Having said that, I did take the risk of doing a frozen embryo cycle after having had a premature baby due to pre-eclampsia - but I did get medical advice and the odds I was given of having severe pre-eclampsia and another premature baby were low enough for me to take the risk. (Plus I felt morally obliged to give my frozen embryos a chance.)

One suggested thing to consider: you say that the IVF hormone injections are a major risk factor for your condition. Have you looked into natural IVF, which does not use additional hormones?

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:37

StrawberrySundaes · 27/06/2025 10:23

Personally if I had one child I wouldn’t go into debt to fund IVF or risk my heath due to a high risk pregnancy.

For background I had my only child via ICSI at 37. At that stage in our lives we were financially comfortable and had been trying for 3 years. Our case was idiopathic (all tests were normal) so I just skipped the IUI route and went straight for IVF. Pregnant from my 1st cycle (lucky me). Normal pregnancy but post labor I had placenta accreta and post-partum pre-eclampsia. Obgyn said I had a 50% chance of getting each condition again with another pregnancy. TBH if I had a normal delivery I would possibly have tried again (we had plenty of savings and 1 embryo left) but too me it wasn’t worth it and the three of us are such a close, little family. It wasn’t worth risking for me.

That sounds wonderful, congratulations on your family! That's it- we are such a close and harmonious family and I think I just cannot risk that!

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wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:35

To those mentioning adoption, a friend of mine has adopted siblings so i have a bit of insight. I applaud everyone who does it but it is a huge gamble and there almost always is an enormous amount of trauma involved, you need lots of resilience to deal with this and I personally don't think I could deal with this, especially when you have a child at home already

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wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:33

Thank you all so much. To those ones who said that I would worry about a second child as much, I think my (probably skewered) thinking is that if you have more than one, if something was to happen to one of them, there would still be one for which you have to keep going and which will fill your life with meaning, does that make sense?

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Tillow4ever · 27/06/2025 10:31

vincettenoir · 27/06/2025 10:14

I’m not sure about point 3. Yes, not dying is the priority, but presumably OP doesn’t want to risk a stroke, brain damage, the need to have a high risk operation while pregnant or any other complication that may flow from a bleed on the brain.

Death was the main risk people were talking about so I focused on that. But you’re absolutely right - ALL the risks need weighing up. It might be it’s a less than 1% risk if any of those things, they just have to tell you that it is a risk! So I’d want full facts and percentages, what the risks are and what the outcobes of the risks might be to try weigh up my choices. A pack of paracetamol lists a huge amount of possible side effects, yet most of us take them as we deem the risk either low enough to not worry about, or the side effect to be an acceptable thing to put up with. So we are already used to weighing up risks around medical conditions etc which is why I wouldn’t immediately rule out IVF just based on the initial perceived risk if that makes sense, as the risk might actually be minuscule!

Hollyhobbi · 27/06/2025 10:29

Is more treatment for the adenoma possible?

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:27

Hollyhobbi · 27/06/2025 10:26

Have your periods returned?

They have.

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Hollyhobbi · 27/06/2025 10:26

Have your periods returned?

Chocolateorange22 · 27/06/2025 10:26

I think you know that you can't do it but looking for validation in that decision being made for you.

I don't have a medical condition like yours. However I have had surgery that means I now can't conceive children naturally so would need IVF. This happened after the second child. I absolutely know that I am done I do not need or want another child. However that biological clock and innate breeding desire side pops up every now and then even still.

wonderingthis · 27/06/2025 10:25

Hollyhobbi · 27/06/2025 10:21

My sister had a prolactinoma which was treated successfully with tablets. She’s since had 3 children with no problems at all. These are one of the more treatable adenomas either with medication or surgery. Is none of these an option although if you are under NHS care maybe they’re not? My sister is in Ireland. She was diagnosed at 23 and had her first child at 25. Do you know that untreated prolactinomas can press on the optic nerve? Is yours being monitored even?

Hiya, yes so my prolactinoma has been successfully treated with medication prior to my first pregnancy. I have regular scans and blood tests and it has since shrunk a bit, however it is still present. The problem is two-fold in that way that my husband's sperm is very poor and my cycle has always been erratic (I have had every test under the sun and nothing crystal clear has ever come back). The treatment for my prolactinoma and the endocrinologist were all under NHS and were fantastic.

A natural pregnancy is much less of an issue than an IVF one because of the amount of hormones that you have to take, it's them that can make the prolactinoma unstable

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