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To think the teachers resent me?

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ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 06:34

I work at lunchtimes only, minimum wage, I used to teach but like this role as it fits around school drop offs/pick ups.
At various times we need to line children up, gather them together to put sun hats on etc. Many staff let them run/scream to do this. But I prefer to get them walking rather than running, sing songs or read a quick story which keeps them calm. One girl can get extremely upset when it’s noisy, but LOVES songs. I get really bad vibes off the SLT when I do this but I’m sure it’s the right thing to do? One v sweet member of staff said ‘you get them sitting beautifully’ and TBH, I think I do?? But the leaders there really don’t like me!!

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HonestOpalHelper · 27/06/2025 08:08

I'm a teacher OP, and on some days I don't even get a hello from some of the SLT, sometimes they just walk by without acknowledging me. Yes it's a bit rude, but they often have a lot on their plates, and their minds are somewhere else, its nothing to do with me at all.

Also, sadly some teachers, like other professionals just don't really acknowledge the presence of support staff that much, don't make small talk with them etc. its rude, but not personal - for example our current head will always stop for a quick chat with the cleaners in the morning - the last head never spoke to them.

GluttonousHag · 27/06/2025 08:07

Muffsies · 27/06/2025 07:54

I was think this is possibly the most likely cause of resentment. It could also be even simpler than that, and the teacher is jealous that she's having to slog a full time roll, and another qualified teacher can just choose to take a very low-stress part time roll - let's face it, not many of us have the 'luxury' of that choice.

Gosh, I don’t think any teacher would ‘envy’ a lunch supervisor. Why would they?

Muffsies · 27/06/2025 08:07

Han86 · 27/06/2025 08:01

Schools are funny places in my experience. The head teacher usually completely blanks me....unless they want something that is and then they are full of chat!

Head teachers are a pretty good indication of the culture of the whole school, which is why I asked earlier what s/he is like.

Han86 · 27/06/2025 08:01

Dramatic · 27/06/2025 07:57

I didn't realise people were only allowed to talk to others who are on the same pay grade 🙄

Schools are funny places in my experience. The head teacher usually completely blanks me....unless they want something that is and then they are full of chat!

Dramatic · 27/06/2025 07:57

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 27/06/2025 07:05

If you used to teach it could be that they resent your 'easy job' or it could be that as a teacher you didn't notice the hierarchy in the system as much. Why would the SMT be chatting to you? They are several pay grades above you now. Or maybe it is your imagination. None of these things relate to you as a person, they just see you doing that role.

I didn't realise people were only allowed to talk to others who are on the same pay grade 🙄

Muffsies · 27/06/2025 07:54

PlasticAcrobat · 27/06/2025 07:14

The impression that your post gives is that you believe other staff to feel undermined or jealous because you do a good job of managing the children.

You mention that you used to be a teacher and I wondered whether it is in fact you, in your new and more limited role, who feels a need to prove yourself by demonstrating your skills - so that you unconsciously hold out your good management of the children as a kind of badge. You may be implicitly courting the approval of the other staff

Rather than being resentful of your skills as such, the staff may be picking up on this anxious need to assert them, and reacting to that.

I was think this is possibly the most likely cause of resentment. It could also be even simpler than that, and the teacher is jealous that she's having to slog a full time roll, and another qualified teacher can just choose to take a very low-stress part time roll - let's face it, not many of us have the 'luxury' of that choice.

saraclara · 27/06/2025 07:47

Surely the only opinion that matters is that of the teacher of the class you supervise. Have you asked them directly whether they're happy with how you manage the class? If they are, that's really all that matters.

You could always grow that conversation by saying that you thought you should check as you're getting the impression from SLT that you're doing something wrong, and see what s/he thinks.

pollyglot · 27/06/2025 07:45

Wow, inverted professional snobbery, or what...

Corinthiana · 27/06/2025 07:43

Your question was are you unreasonable to think that "the teachers resent me"?
YABU. I doubt very much whether they "resent" you. What would be the reasoning?

MyDeftDuck · 27/06/2025 07:33

If the children are engaging with you, they’re safe and all accounted for then just keep doing what you’re doing. Ignore the bad vibes and rise above the ‘being sent to Coventry’ behaviour - that is childish, unprofessional and has no place in any working environment.

JackieWilsonsaiditstimeforbedlittleone · 27/06/2025 07:32

You used to teach and now you sing and read stories in a lunch queue?

IdiottoGoa · 27/06/2025 07:30

PlasticAcrobat · 27/06/2025 07:14

The impression that your post gives is that you believe other staff to feel undermined or jealous because you do a good job of managing the children.

You mention that you used to be a teacher and I wondered whether it is in fact you, in your new and more limited role, who feels a need to prove yourself by demonstrating your skills - so that you unconsciously hold out your good management of the children as a kind of badge. You may be implicitly courting the approval of the other staff

Rather than being resentful of your skills as such, the staff may be picking up on this anxious need to assert them, and reacting to that.

@PlasticAcrobat has worded this much more kindly that I was thinking it.

You seem very proud of yourself and are expressing that through each of your posts. Nothing wrong with that in general but if you seem to be overstepping boundaries or putting other staff down in the process of this, they may just be keeping an eye.

Corinthiana · 27/06/2025 07:30

PlasticAcrobat · 27/06/2025 07:14

The impression that your post gives is that you believe other staff to feel undermined or jealous because you do a good job of managing the children.

You mention that you used to be a teacher and I wondered whether it is in fact you, in your new and more limited role, who feels a need to prove yourself by demonstrating your skills - so that you unconsciously hold out your good management of the children as a kind of badge. You may be implicitly courting the approval of the other staff

Rather than being resentful of your skills as such, the staff may be picking up on this anxious need to assert them, and reacting to that.

Good points. I was wondering the same.

Corinthiana · 27/06/2025 07:27

I find it unlikely that any teacher, SLT or otherwise, is resentful of a support staff member being effective. This, in effect, lessens their workload. I don't know what the "bad vibes" are. Schools are busy places, SLT have demanding jobs. Believe me, they're not going to be negative about someone supporting children effectively.
If you feel that there is genuinely a problem, talk to the HT.

Twisterpiggy · 27/06/2025 07:26

GaspingGekko · 27/06/2025 07:16

I teach quite young children. At transition my current TA leaves the kids doing what they want until I arrive to settle them.
My previous TA used to do like you, had them all sat beautifully and occupied.
I much prefer them doing their own thing. The kids only have so long they can sit on the carpet for, until they zone out and mess about. If 5 minutes of that time has been used by a TA telling a story then that's 5 minutes less I can keep their attention for teaching.

I agree with others, you need to check in with what the teacher would prefer and not assume that your way is best.

This is what I was thinking too! Whats wrong with them running to line up at break time? If it’s all relatively controlled and not dangerous obviously but they need to let their energy out in order to have more focus time the rest of the day.

GluttonousHag · 27/06/2025 07:26

So stop doing it, if other people’s approval is that important to you?

ShoutOutLucile · 27/06/2025 07:23

I agree withn@GaspingGekko

Han86 · 27/06/2025 07:21

PlasticAcrobat · 27/06/2025 07:14

The impression that your post gives is that you believe other staff to feel undermined or jealous because you do a good job of managing the children.

You mention that you used to be a teacher and I wondered whether it is in fact you, in your new and more limited role, who feels a need to prove yourself by demonstrating your skills - so that you unconsciously hold out your good management of the children as a kind of badge. You may be implicitly courting the approval of the other staff

Rather than being resentful of your skills as such, the staff may be picking up on this anxious need to assert them, and reacting to that.

I also wonder whether it's because you want to appear more capable rather than slotting in with the other midday assistants or still see yourself as being a teacher.
I also went from teacher to TA/lunchtime assistant and there is definitely no singing to get in line apart from the teacher using 123 eyes on me.
Are you going against normal school practice by doing a quick song? As in our school line up throughout the school is in silence (well supposedly) and staff are trying to enforce this. Even in the lower years the attempt is to try and encourage children that the way we line up is quietly, voices off and facing the front.
If you start doing a quick song that undermines the rest of the staff, especially if you haven't been asked to.
The same with reading a story. Unless you have been told the teacher has had something come up and to delay you should just be getting the children to do their usual routine - for ours that is coming in quietly, getting their drinks bottle and sitting quietly on the carpet. There shouldn't be 5 mins for a story.
It sounds a bit like you are overstepping, and this is becoming obvious to some staff.

itsgettingweird · 27/06/2025 07:20

PrincessOfPreschool · 27/06/2025 07:08

I think it's most likely that the SLT don't speak to you much because you are a midday supervisor. If you want SLT conversations, and to be noticed, you should go back to being a teacher. Your job is just currently not that important and does not require teacher training. It smacks a little bit of showing off.

Also, if you think you are better than the actual teachers, you should do the kids a favour and go back to teaching. There are breakfast clubs and there is part time work to accommodate your school run.

That’s a load of bollocks.

We appreciate our midday supervisors massively. Having skilled staff who can manage the pupils for an hour a day so we can go to the loo, prepare the afternoon and if lucky eat something is of massive value.

The issue is people not thinking the job is that important.

ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 07:20

We’re actually quicker getting out than the other class as it’s a bit more ordered.
We all go in at same time.

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Morgenrot25 · 27/06/2025 07:20

ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 07:18

@PlasticAcrobat

That’s a really good post. In fact, I think that’s what it is - and me behaving that way would come across as extremely annoying.

I don’t think I do it to ‘show off’ - perhaps I do, but I also love it and love seeing the children get excited by a song.

It shouldn't be about what you 'love", your role here is to do what's best for the children. They need free time!

ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 07:18

@PlasticAcrobat

That’s a really good post. In fact, I think that’s what it is - and me behaving that way would come across as extremely annoying.

I don’t think I do it to ‘show off’ - perhaps I do, but I also love it and love seeing the children get excited by a song.

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Whinge · 27/06/2025 07:18

How old are the children? If you're spending at least 5 minutes reading a story and several minutes each lunchtime lining them up to check hats and sing songs, the class you're surpervising are getting less play time than the other classes.

pharmer · 27/06/2025 07:17

Maybe because they think playtime should be unstructured. Little kids have a finite attention span and they don't want that wasted on your songs and stories during breaks which are purposefully unstructured so they can let let off steam and give their brains a break.
You don't understand what you are doing and should have asked permission before implementing your own ideas.
If you think the teaching staff are sending you to Coventry, then most people would have had the self awareness to question whether your changes are appreciated.

GaspingGekko · 27/06/2025 07:16

I teach quite young children. At transition my current TA leaves the kids doing what they want until I arrive to settle them.
My previous TA used to do like you, had them all sat beautifully and occupied.
I much prefer them doing their own thing. The kids only have so long they can sit on the carpet for, until they zone out and mess about. If 5 minutes of that time has been used by a TA telling a story then that's 5 minutes less I can keep their attention for teaching.

I agree with others, you need to check in with what the teacher would prefer and not assume that your way is best.

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