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To think the teachers resent me?

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ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 06:34

I work at lunchtimes only, minimum wage, I used to teach but like this role as it fits around school drop offs/pick ups.
At various times we need to line children up, gather them together to put sun hats on etc. Many staff let them run/scream to do this. But I prefer to get them walking rather than running, sing songs or read a quick story which keeps them calm. One girl can get extremely upset when it’s noisy, but LOVES songs. I get really bad vibes off the SLT when I do this but I’m sure it’s the right thing to do? One v sweet member of staff said ‘you get them sitting beautifully’ and TBH, I think I do?? But the leaders there really don’t like me!!

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Orderofthephoenixparody · 27/06/2025 10:00

Elsie75 · 27/06/2025 08:39

As a peripatetic music teacher who has taught in many schools I have experienced both lovely and inclusive teachers and the complete and utter cunts. And it’s not necessarily the quality of the school on paper that reflects the attitudes of the staff. I quickly moved on from the cunty schools as I’m not spending my day around these fuckers. I suggest you do so too.

This and all the other posters who have responded similarly. Some schools are toxic not worth your health entering into those shit holes.

neverbeenskiing · 27/06/2025 09:58

I work in a primary school and i'm part of SLT.
In the nicest possible way, OP Midday Supervisors don't tend to hit my radar unless one of them comes to me with a safeguarding issue, or there are concerns about their professional conduct. I know thier names and I will smile and say hello if I walk past them on my way into a meeting, but I simply don't have much opportunity or reason to interact with them on a day to day basis. It's not about hierarchy or me thinking I'm superior or anything like that, our paths just don't cross that much. If LT literally blank you when they see you that's unacceptable in my view, and probably says a lot about the culture of the school. If they're not stopping to chat it's probably just that they don't have time and have a million things on their mind, but blatant rudeness isn't ok and I wouldn't want to work in an environment where it was normalised or tolerated. Reliable Midday Supervisors are like gold dust right now, so hard to recruit because the hours are awkward and the pay is shocking. I'm sure if you wanted to move on to a friendlier environment another school would snap you up.

I agree with a pp, your post does seem to imply that Teaching staff are jealous of your skills and relationships with the children. No one here knows you or sees you at work, so we won't be able to determine whether this is likely, whether it's just your perception that you're being 'sent to coventry' or whether you're possibly doing something else to rub people up the wrong way. In your shoes, I'd be tempted to ask the class Teacher, in a calm and professional way "have I done anything to upset you?" Sometimes its best to clear the air rather than speculate.

Nothinglikeagoodbook · 27/06/2025 09:44

It depends on whether you’re making a big display of how wonderful you are.

I don’t understand how reading the children a story can possibly be necessary. Are you sure you’re not just doing it because you yourself enjoy it, and as a demonstration of how "superior" you are to other MDSAs? Lunchtime is the time when children need to be free to run around and make a noise. Sitting quietly listening to stories is what they often do in the rest of the day; lunchtime should be different.

Do you stop - mid-story if necessary - as soon as the teacher arrives, or do you make the teacher stand and wait for you to finish?

You are obviously skilled at handling children but tbh I can understand why some might find this stuff performative if it holds them up. But I don’t understand why you think SLT members "resent" you. Are you implying that you think they’re envious?

cakeisallyouneed · 27/06/2025 09:34

Judging a situation from vibes and feelings is always a gamble. Their negative demeanour may be completely unrelated to you. Easiest thing is to ask for some professional feedback on how you’re doing in the role. If you don’t want to do that I would go with no news is good news. It’s their job to raise if they want you to carry out a task differently, if they haven’t done this then the default is to assume they are happy with the way you do things.

Eric1964 · 27/06/2025 09:33

I'm a retired teacher. You're an asset to the school! Keep doing what you're doing. Please remember that people (and SLT, despite the staffroom gossip, are human) are imperfect; a common failing is to express jealousy in strange ways when they see someone doing their job well.

IdiottoGoa · 27/06/2025 09:33

Sugargliderwombat · 27/06/2025 08:43

As a teacher it's really bloody irritating when lunchtime staff do this when they should be burning off energy. It really does get on my nerves to have someone sit them all down in the classroom they've just been in all morning and read a story which I do multiple times a day anyway anyway. Playtime is for playing and running.

This is another good point. @ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi did you agree this approach with anyone or take it upon yourself?

WhereHasMyPlanetGone · 27/06/2025 09:30

I think you need to look at this logically. Logically, it’s extremely unlikely that they would ‘resent’ you for, in your view, managing the children well. That just wouldn’t make sense, as it’s something that would make their lives easier. So if there is any bad feeling towards you, the likelihood is there’s another reason.
This could be that actually, the way you manage the children doesn’t make their lives easier. A lot of PPs have made a good point that 5 mins sitting on the carpet listening to a story with you is potentially impacting on the amount of quiet/concentrating time they get from the children in the afternoon.
They could be finding your attitude a bit smug and superior. Being entirely honest that is how you come across on this thread, so it may well be something that is evident in real life too.
They could just be nasty people, which obviously can’t be discounted as some people just aren’t very pleasant.
Obviously it’s impossible for us strangers to know exactly why they’re treating you as they are, but as an observer it feels like your reasoning for it is probably the least likely.

Morgenrot25 · 27/06/2025 09:09

Sugargliderwombat · 27/06/2025 08:46

They're probably thinking, just take them out to bloody play and stop making such a show of it! Playgrounds are noisy, it's fine!

SLT really should be explaining the importance of free play at lunchtime and suggesting some games or activities you can do with them to manage their behaviour/ engage in other ways. It doesn't always need to be quiet and controlled and some children (boys!) need to be a bit wild for that 30 minutes of playing.

Edited

Agree with your comment, other than the 'boys' bit - I live near a primary school and honestly, the girls run and scream as much as the boys! In fact they probably scream slightly more, on average.

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 27/06/2025 09:07

Dramatic · 27/06/2025 08:42

Yes but the poster I was replying to was implying that SLT shouldn't have to lower themselves to talking to support staff because of their pay grade

Wow that was a huge leap from what I said. If it matters to you I am on the lowest pay scale in my line of work, perfectly happy there, it suits my lifestyle and the pay is decent. Some higher up management are chatty and friendly, others can't bear to sit at the same table as us lower pay grades and yes it is the pay grade not the person because they don't actually know any of us individually. It is just the way that some people are and I was suggesting that perhaps the SMT in the OP's school think the same way.

Swiftie1878 · 27/06/2025 08:47

Sounds like you are ‘organising’ the children at a time when they are supposed to be a little more free. Kids have enough time in the day when they need to sit, listen, pay attention, work. If you are surreptitiously ’stealing’ some of their relaxation time it can knock on to the kids’ attention span for the remainder of the day.
Be careful you aren’t overstepping and leaving teachers with a more difficult afternoon of behaviour to manage.

Sugargliderwombat · 27/06/2025 08:46

Muffsies · 27/06/2025 07:54

I was think this is possibly the most likely cause of resentment. It could also be even simpler than that, and the teacher is jealous that she's having to slog a full time roll, and another qualified teacher can just choose to take a very low-stress part time roll - let's face it, not many of us have the 'luxury' of that choice.

They're probably thinking, just take them out to bloody play and stop making such a show of it! Playgrounds are noisy, it's fine!

SLT really should be explaining the importance of free play at lunchtime and suggesting some games or activities you can do with them to manage their behaviour/ engage in other ways. It doesn't always need to be quiet and controlled and some children (boys!) need to be a bit wild for that 30 minutes of playing.

FruityCider · 27/06/2025 08:45

You haven't actually given any specific examples of why you think they 'resent' you. Not talking to you in the staff room? Cat's bum face? Why are you so convinced they don't like you? And is the teacher the classes teacher or someone who just watches from the corridor?

I can almost guarantee you it's not that deep. It could potentially be that the teacher wants to read them a story after lunch and you're cutting in to the precious little time that young children can sit on the carpet for without becoming fidgety and needing a break. It could that their class is a hideous mess and they are a little miffed theirs isn't like that. Its most likely though that you don't occupy their thoughts that much but that you come across a little smug, which you do on here. Don't overthink it though. If your line manager likes what you're doing that's the end of it.

Sugargliderwombat · 27/06/2025 08:43

ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 06:54

I do about 2 mins of songs until they are ready to go out and we’ve counted they are all there.

Story is after tidy up time as we wait for take over. Max 5 mins!

As a teacher it's really bloody irritating when lunchtime staff do this when they should be burning off energy. It really does get on my nerves to have someone sit them all down in the classroom they've just been in all morning and read a story which I do multiple times a day anyway anyway. Playtime is for playing and running.

Dramatic · 27/06/2025 08:42

Han86 · 27/06/2025 08:01

Schools are funny places in my experience. The head teacher usually completely blanks me....unless they want something that is and then they are full of chat!

Yes but the poster I was replying to was implying that SLT shouldn't have to lower themselves to talking to support staff because of their pay grade

Elsie75 · 27/06/2025 08:39

As a peripatetic music teacher who has taught in many schools I have experienced both lovely and inclusive teachers and the complete and utter cunts. And it’s not necessarily the quality of the school on paper that reflects the attitudes of the staff. I quickly moved on from the cunty schools as I’m not spending my day around these fuckers. I suggest you do so too.

DollyandDotty · 27/06/2025 08:35

Isn't what you are saying is that you think the teachers are envious of your 'classroom control'? Because you are/were a teacher but not in that role now.

That's what you seem to say. That you are good with the discipline and they are envious or think you're being a bit 'showy off' by the way you get the children into line?

I'd carry on and ignore the bad vibes.

Cucy · 27/06/2025 08:34

There are 2 issues here.

1.that you work PT.

Some people are very funny about this.
I used to work PT and would get a LOT of passive aggressive comments about.
I would constantly get asked if I had a rich husband or how I afford my bills.

The truth was that I was a single parent struggling for money and there were no more hours available and so I worked 2 other jobs on the side and was studying.

2.that you are appeasing the children.

Some people will think as long as the job gets done it doesn’t matter how it’s done. And when it comes to children that could mean giving in to them or bribing them etc.
You are doing things to make it an enjoyable experience and so they want to do it.

Whereas other people think that that isn’t necessary and that you should ask them to do something and they should learn to behave and do it.
That they should not only behave just because they’re getting something that they want.

Without being there and knowing their ages etc then it’s difficult to tell.

I am on the fence because I think that being a bit softer and getting something done is better than it being a stressful experience etc.

However, they do need to learn that they need to line up sensibly and quietly and if this was a fire alarm emergency then you would not have the time to sing and tell a story.

I can imagine SLT thinks you’re being a bit too soft on them which is what is causing them to run and scream for other staff members because they’re not getting what they want.

Whistlingformysupper · 27/06/2025 08:32

ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 06:54

I do about 2 mins of songs until they are ready to go out and we’ve counted they are all there.

Story is after tidy up time as we wait for take over. Max 5 mins!

But actually playtime is children's only opportunity to run around and most children need more exercise not less.
They do enough sitting when in the classroom, you aren't there to have them sitting nicely and calmly they should be running off steam

Muffsies · 27/06/2025 08:27

GluttonousHag · 27/06/2025 08:07

Gosh, I don’t think any teacher would ‘envy’ a lunch supervisor. Why would they?

I was thinking more the ability to take a career break. She's still a qualified teacher who can choose to go back to her career, some people don't get those options.

What's wrong with being a lunch supervisor?

DontTouchRoach · 27/06/2025 08:23

Perhaps they find it irritating because your job is lunchtime supervisor - essentially getting the kids lined up and sent out to run around - but you’ve taken it upon yourself to organise activities as if you were still the class teacher. Maybe the teachers already have songs and stories planned for other parts of the school day and would rather the kids were just burning off some emergency rather than spending their playtime walking and being calm?

Pingiop · 27/06/2025 08:20

What’s your job role? Working in a school at lunch time can mean anything

Allswellthatendswelll · 27/06/2025 08:16

Corinthiana · 27/06/2025 07:27

I find it unlikely that any teacher, SLT or otherwise, is resentful of a support staff member being effective. This, in effect, lessens their workload. I don't know what the "bad vibes" are. Schools are busy places, SLT have demanding jobs. Believe me, they're not going to be negative about someone supporting children effectively.
If you feel that there is genuinely a problem, talk to the HT.

This!

At my school SLT are friendly and talk to everyone.

AlwaysBeingMe · 27/06/2025 08:14

Unfortunately some people (SLTs) are like that - I would just carry on and do the best I can to get the most job satisfaction - or find somewhere else that I would be happier.

HonestOpalHelper · 27/06/2025 08:12

Muffsies · 27/06/2025 07:54

I was think this is possibly the most likely cause of resentment. It could also be even simpler than that, and the teacher is jealous that she's having to slog a full time roll, and another qualified teacher can just choose to take a very low-stress part time roll - let's face it, not many of us have the 'luxury' of that choice.

I don't think there would be resentment, one of our lab technicians was a teacher, and a taxi driver I know was a deputy head - but neither is teaching now having both voluntarily moved on. There are lots of people who qualified as teachers and do something else.

silkypyjamas · 27/06/2025 08:11

ThisMonkeysGoneToAldi · 27/06/2025 06:54

I do about 2 mins of songs until they are ready to go out and we’ve counted they are all there.

Story is after tidy up time as we wait for take over. Max 5 mins!

Could it be that you have an awful singing voice OP?! 😜