Lifestyle Choices impacting on the NHS -Boiling my piss!!!!

She’s including her husband 🙄

A bit like your husband getting injured playing a sport he likes?

This.

Most hospital beds have pts who have are admitted as a result of lifestyle impacting upon health eg smoking,alcohol,dietary,sport injury, cycling.They (rightly) get the treatment they need and follow up health advice and off they go.
One must be mindful not to inadvertently slide into the deserving vs undeserving patient.

I remember waiting after a horrible incident surrounded by rugby players who had over taken A&E after a game (damaged ankles, broken noses, arms in slings all still covered in mud from the field that they where traipsing everywhere). I do remember the insane wait thinking thats ridiculous to an extent as they are deliberately doing something that will end in injury.

A transport crash is not the same though, most bike riders are really safe and cautious (not counting the kids the bomb around on illegal or stolen off road bikes) its other idiots that cause the problem. I rode a motorbike and never once got injured, I have however been in a critical high speed car accident and required cutting out (extremely lucky to not be killed).

Interestingly the stats say 155,000 car passengers in the UK vs only 17,000 motorcyclists in the UK per year are injured in road accidents but I assume you regularly travel in cars so since that one applies to YOU your discounting it. So in reality its over 8 time more likely for a crash victim requiring medical attention to have been in a car not on a bike.

If this ever came to pass, expect car insurance costs to massively increase. If everyone injured by a car isn't entitled to NHS care and has to pay for private, the costs to insurers will be astronomical and will be paid by everyone in increased premiums.

If this were adopted there would have to be a side system where if you weren't insured and were liable for an accident, you would have to pay in full even if it meant losing your house, savings and any private pension.

I think most people would prefer the cost to be socialised.

My dad is one of the age 60+ men who rides a motorbike. He’s also a frequent blood biker, supporting the NHS by transporting urgent medical stuff using between a helipad/airport where they’ve been airlifted in, to the hospital that needs them (usually blood but he’s had a few organs required for transplant too). “Lifestyle choices” giveth as well as they taketh away from the NHS…

Living is risky. You want everyone to stay sat on the sofa? That will kill everyone faster.

This is one of those arguments where the only way to please the OP is for everyone it lay down and die. It'a the most economical use of resources from a human.

If we accept anorexia is a disease, this means treatment on the NHS thereby surely obesity too?
If we accept addiction is a disease, this requires treatment on the NHS.
The NHS was set up to help with disease thereby we are all 'deserving'

Doesn’t bother me, I’m waiting and have been for months in agonising pain for a shoulder replacement. This may partly be caused by typing thousands of letters in my working life perhaps causing RSI. This was after working for 20 odd years in the NHS! Lifestyle choice? I also broke my ankle some years ago falling off the kitchen step, I’ve avoided it ever since. (Joke).

😂😂 I am absolutely loving the hypocrisy here! Maybe your DH shouldn’t make poor lifestyle choices by playing 5 a side 🤭

Pretty much everything entails risk probably more so for most sports especially as we get older, even walking has risks. However the alternative is just to sit at home and do nothing and being sedentary is also for most people a lifestyle choice and one with great risks to health attached. Obviously I'd prefer people to be careful and not reckless when exercising but exercising also has huge benefits and probably saves the NHS money.

I was going for appreciative.

Sitting on a motorbike isn’t going to make anyone healthy, it can’t be likened to cycling. I have done both.

@Treatedme The advancement in modern medicine is inadvertently destroying the NHS isn’t it. My Mother lived till she was almost 95, she asked me if I would assist her in ending it, I obviously refused but she lived for almost a decade longer than she should have.

Well, a small iota. Perhaps if you are engaging in motocross or horse riding etc. private medical insurance might be a good idea. But not really for football and stuff.

Maybe she has a point? 😂 Wtf

I think this thread was started so that people then started attacking that demographic!

IMO

How is your husband any less “feckless and irresponsible.” How is a cyclist any less feckless and irresponsible than your football playing husband? Are you genuinely saying that CYCLING is feckless and irresponsible?

You’re absolutely unreasonable and this is surely a wind up.

Maybe you have a point, but I'm not sure people taking part in healthy pursuits should be the first target. What they cost in orthopaedics we'll save on diabetes etc. in the future. I expected you post to talk about fat smokers to be honest!

This is a very annoying post to the edge of being offensive. What about obese oeople of those who smoke/do drugs? Alcoholics? Get a grip FFS.

I've been involved in NHS strategic planning, and believe me, its not people having accidents whilst engaged in healthy, physical activity that strategic planners are worried about in terms of pressures on the NHS. Instead, planners are worried about the cost of ill health caused by obesity, and type 2 diabetes. Planners are also worried by the cost of ever developing drugs and new treatments and more people being saved by developments in care (including increasingly premature babies surviving) but living with high care needs (that latter one is a concern for social care strategic planners).

There has actually been published research on this in terms of pedal cyclists and basically the savings due to health benefits outweigh the costs caused by accidents.

So YABU

Indeed.

I sort of agree with a system like this in the UK. I don’t know how it would work though and it would penalise active people. It also wouldn’t address the chronic levels of sickness due to unhealthy lifestyles (a lot of which is linked to poverty and ignorance). Ultimately the NHS needs a complete overhaul and we should be looking at European systems of healthcare. I doubt I will see change in my lifetime. The NHS is just a great big sacred cow to most of the British public despite a lot of it being shit.No government has the balls to tackle it.

I think there should be certain circumstances where you have to pay for treatment, but these should be limited to when you've refused cheaper preventative measures. For example, you refused to get a vaccine/ go for a regular smear test/ go on a stop smoking programme after you were advised to, and now you need treatment because of that.

I don't think you should be penalised because you are having difficulty stopping smoking/ drinking or losing weight even though you've engaged in the help offered to do those things.

It shouldn't even be a consideration for people doing exercise. All sports can result in injuries but the amount of money the NHS saves on people who exercise regularly being healthier physically and mentally outweighs the few that get injured.

My friend was sitting on his sofa reading, got up, foot went from under him, broken ankle.

Shall we add sitting and reading to the list of dangerous lifestyle choices?

Yes , some activities probably carry a higher risk of injury, but that doesn’t mean everyone who does them will end up in hospital, and probably far more overweight, inactive, unhealthy eating couch potatoes will eventually cost the NHS more with long term conditions like diabetes, toe and foot amputations, heart conditions, bowel cancer, COPD etc requiring both acute hospital care and home support.