Lifestyle Choices impacting on the NHS -Boiling my piss!!!!

Quite. I was drawing blanks.
FWIW I’m not in favour of an NHS that decides whether ailments / illnesses / etc are self inflicted or as a result of lifestyle choices.

Are the other patients not taxpayers too?!

Surely it’s the literally the entire point of the NHS - everyone gets to use it when they need it, free at the point of delivery.

Or are only injuries and illnesses that you deem acceptable allowed to be treated? Nobody with a BMI over under 20/over 25, nobody who has ever smoked/vaped, nobody who has ever had a drink of alcohol, nobody who has fallen over on a walk/off a bike, been in a car accident, chosen to have a baby… none of these people can be treated? All could be argued as lifestyle choices.

YABU and utterly ridiculous.

This would only partially ease the cost burden on the NHS, but not help in other ways (like waiting lists) because the doctors operating privately will have come away from the NHS for a day a week (or more) to do so and reduced the NHS workforce.

Why not tax all these "lifestyle choices" appropriately?
We tax sugary drinks and tobacco, maybe we could start taxing motorcycles, high-performance bikes and adult football clubs to claw back some of the associated costs.

But the child is a separate person from the parents and the child did not make a lifestyle choice. And so is entitled to treatment if "lifestyle choices" is the criteria.

@Lardychops This thread is hilarious and I sort of hoped you were joking, but it appears not. Kindly OP, human beings want to live, not just exist. It isn't just sports such as football, skiing, cycling, motorcross and mountaineering that are risky to one’s health - all of life is. LIFE. IS. RISKY.
How do you know the motorcyclists on your DH's ward weren't just travelling to work and got hit by car-drivers? And speaking of driving, that's a very risky activity if you look at the accident and death statistics. Do you drive OP? If so, will you now stop because you realise this is a terrible "life-choice"? Do you ever travel abroad OP? Will this continue to be one of your life-choices when you know of the risks attached? (Nowhere near as risky as the drive to the airport, of course).
Doctors encourage us to exercise to maintain good health, so what exercise would you suggest that has minimal risk OP? You could pull a ham-string or tear a meniscus just reaching for that net pass whilst playing tennis - damn this risky sport! And if we don't exercise and try to minimise our chances of developing conditions like heart disease and T2 diabetes, that could have a catastrophic affect on the NHS. Oh no, wait, that ship has already sailed ...
In your new world order, the FA Cup, World Cup, Olympics (Winter and summer - have you seen those javelins? 😱 ), F1, Motocross GP, world exploration, etc would never happen.
Accidents happen in life even if we personally do all we can to avoid them (because we can't control other people's behaviour), but you would have us all wrapped in cotton wool, never daring to take risks of any kind. The world has been built on human endeavour OP, and all that endeavour carries risk - and joy - the joy of life. This is how human beings live and, more importantly, want to live.
YABVU OP and you will see the vote is largely in agreement with this view.

Exactly!

That is DEF not listed under the Amber heat health alert checklist!

Wow, I had no idea!

Illuminating, thank you. Though I guess flying over the handlebars and landing your collarbone on a rock is even more likely to break it than stacking it on a red run and landing on snow is.

It's an orthopedic trauma ward. Of course those are the kind of accidents men get to break a bone. If you're not really elderly. Sports injuries and motorcycle/bike collision.

I was in the ortho trauma ward for five weeks. One young girl broke her arm falling off a bicycle. Everyone else was a fall from standing height or being knocked by a vehicle. Most other female patients were seventy five- 90 yo.

So it does seem like mens hobbies are much more dangerous than women's, that's for sure. I used to be surprised I was still alive every time I got off my boyfriend's motorbike.

By your metric, what are the acceptable activities to have participated in and to have run the risk of, or achieved, broken bones in?

Was OP's post meant to be funny?

That includes your husband I assume?

YABU.
Playing football and cycling is a healthy choice. Much better than sitting at home, eating an unhealthy diet, smoking, drinking and getting no exercise. And while it does use NHS resources to deal with people having footballing or cycling accidents I imagine that if everyone stopped cycling or playing football the cost would be greater to the NHS due to the increased number of people needed treatment for the type of diseases caused by a lack of exercise and obesity.

That said, I live in an area in the Alps where in recent years there have been more and more ski areas offering downhill mountain biking trails with obstacles, jumps etc. This is to attract more tourists when the ski lifts aren't running and also to prepare for when ski tourism goes down the pan as there's less and less snow.
The local hospital absolutely cannot cope with the number of mountain biking accidents. It's worse than the skiing. There are crisis meetings going on currently involving the provincial government and various health boards, hospital management etc.
This week two people have died on the mountain bike trails.
So in this case, I do think they need to come up with a solution because the hospital is at breaking point dealing with these mountain biker tourists.

WTAF are you talking about?? Im guessing your husband is included in the irresponsible brigade??

Cancer, which is one of the most common reasons people use NHS services is caused by a gene mutation. Genes form our DNA that we have from birth. Some cancers are hereditary, such as breast cancer. Some people can never smoke, eat healthily, exercise, do yoga etc and still get cancer.

Our gene cells constantly make copies. When a gene cell develops a fault, it mutates at an alarming rate, to form a malignant tumour. This is how cancer begins.

OK. In that case I am hereby mounting a request to have my NICS slashed to avoid paying for any NHS treatment your child needs. After all, having a child was your lifestyle choice, why should i be financially impacted by it? I'm sure you understand and will support my point of view .

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

Do you see how ridiculous you sound?

This OP reminds me of the stay homers during Covid who self righteously condemned all the selfish people who might need "rescuing" the second they set foot outside the door. They often get very indignant on behalf of the RNLI who are constantly going out to rescue the selfish people who insist on going outside and doing activities instead of staying inside and looking at life through a computer or phone screen like responsible citizens.

(Though in a way I'm torn because I'm currently full of loathing for the noisy way men ride their stupid motorbikes, keeping me up and night and waking me up early in the morning.)

For FY2025-26 the OBR estimates the tax take from tobacco will be just £8.1 billion. While research published in 2017 estimated that treating smoking-related illness cost the NHS £2.6 billion a year (£3.5 billion adjusted for inflation), the wider economic costs reach over £13 billion (£17.4 billion adjusted for inflation) once factors such as lost productivity, tobacco litter and smoking-related house fires are considered.

https://digital.nhs.uk/about-nhs-digital/corporate-information-and-documents/directions-and-data-provision-notices/data-provision-notices-dpns/local-stop-smoking-services

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/tobacco-duties

Sickle Cell Anaemia
Arthritis
Manic Depression
Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome
Haemophilia
Accidents such as being run over by a drunken or careless driver, being assaulted
Swine Flu
Impetigo

So if the NHS refused to treat anyone due to lifestyle choices who's left?
Can't treat smokers, drinkers, obese people, anyone who plays sport, pregnant women, anyone who drives a car or motorbike.
So who exactly do you think should be allowed hospital treatment? YABVU.

Sure they're expensive but I'm not sure they're as expensive as all the people eating and sitting their way into long years of ill health.

Surely, having the charming OP to look after him after his accident will be enough to ensure he takes more care next time.

err... EH?!

YABVVVVU

Also why should the OP use her own money to fund her husband's "lifestyle choices"?

Surely the expense of any treatment should be met by him since it's his "dangerous" hobby 😂?