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To think if you moved out to the countryside during Covid, you can't demand remote working?

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JacquesHarlow · 26/06/2025 14:02

Before I get piled on, the key word here is demanding remote working based on their lifestyle choices, and therefore going against an employer's setup (mandated hybrid or full 5 day wees).

The number of people I have interacted with in the last year who feel entitled to fully remote and flexible now, never coming in, because they took a gamble five years ago and relocated outside of where the work is....is staggering.

Let me rewind for a minute -

I understand from the ACAS site etc that people are legally allowed to request flexible working. But surely employers are equally allowed to turn it down or request a modified version (you have to come in X days). So why do so many people moan about this, as if they're entitled to fully remote?

I guess the answer lies in the pandemic.

For desk based jobs such as mine and many others, we were able to work remotely in Covid-19 office lockdowns. Many people reported increased productivity. We could work variable hours, walk the dog at lunchtime, pick up the DCs and then jump on Teams calls. No need to pay expensive £6k a year season tickets, less money spend on childminding to cover the commute etc.

However these couple of years also saw all kind of people look at what their flat or house inside the M25 was worth, cash in, and then flee to all points of the compass in the UK, using their strong London pound so to speak to buy up all kinds of acreage in Frome, Weymouth, Cambridgeshire, you name it.

Where I'm struggling is how many people I've seen on here will say "I've applied to a job which is clearly stated 4 days a week in person in the office. Does anyone work here and can say how firm this is, can I demand it be remote? I live 2.5 hours away from London and it'll cost me £70 a day" etc."

Why though? Does an employer have to throw its office policy out the window every time someone who moved away from London wants the same salary and access to the job market, but won't come in on their terms anymore?

Am I being unreasonable to say that people are being unrealistic about this?

Do any of you think that we should be able to request fully remote when applying for a job, no matter what the employer's policy is? And that it is "discrimination" if they don't?

I mean, one person on here was told by a prospective employer that they need to be mindful not to have their toddler crying out too much while they're on Teams calls with clients. The job seeker then got upset in their post and said "I don't think this job is for me"...

Has COVID completely changed people's expectations that they should be able to do it all with a toddler on their lap?

AIBU?!

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Beautifulhaiku · 26/06/2025 14:14

AirborneElephant · 26/06/2025 14:10

I kind of agreed with you, one thing that really astounded me during Covid was the number of people in my organization who thought it was fine to move countries (and I don’t mean Wales or Scotland), in some cases without even mentioning it.

But there is a fundamental disconnect which has occurred in the UK. People believe that they are more productive working from home, and they have got used to the significant lifestyle benefits. But employers know that productivity is actually way down, and see returning to the office as one lever to improve this. But unless they manage to get the bulk of their employees on board there’s going to be a very long uphill struggle to make office attendance the norm again.

Are there studies to show WFH reduces productivity?

CantHoldMeDown · 26/06/2025 14:12

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SoScarletItWas · 26/06/2025 14:10

The Covid London effect is way overstated, as research now shows. Even those who moved did so within a normal commutable distance.

https://www.centreforcities.org/press/londons-population-bouncing-back-thanks-to-new-arrivals-since-covid-analysis-shows/#:~:text=191%2C000%20more%20people%20left%20London,the%20case%20before%20the%20pandemic.

In my direct experience as a hiring manager and leader of a large team, most people wanting to stay WFH are close to the office anyway and unwilling to do the 20 minutes commute twice a week that they did full time pre-Covid.

Job seekers can want what they want. Whether the workplace allows it is up to them.

Orangeandpurpletulips · 26/06/2025 14:10

Pointless to generalise. Some people are attractive and in demand enough that they can enforce this, as are some employers. Others not. What's true of one person in one sector won't be true of someone else. Some employers do indeed have to throw their preferences and policies out of the window in order to get the skills they need for the rate they want to pay. Others don't.

So YABU.

AirborneElephant · 26/06/2025 14:10

I kind of agreed with you, one thing that really astounded me during Covid was the number of people in my organization who thought it was fine to move countries (and I don’t mean Wales or Scotland), in some cases without even mentioning it.

But there is a fundamental disconnect which has occurred in the UK. People believe that they are more productive working from home, and they have got used to the significant lifestyle benefits. But employers know that productivity is actually way down, and see returning to the office as one lever to improve this. But unless they manage to get the bulk of their employees on board there’s going to be a very long uphill struggle to make office attendance the norm again.

ExtraOnions · 26/06/2025 14:08

Why are you bothered ? Is it effecting you ?

Remote working is a great way to move jobs out of cities and into the countryside, without the need for massive infrastructure investments. Helps to redistribute the wealth from those roles, into historically deprived areas.

LemondrizzleShark · 26/06/2025 14:07

Whether you moved out during Covid or have lived in Somerset/Norfolk your entire life, of course you can’t demand an employer offer full time remote working when that isn’t on offer. You can ask, but if they say no, that is the end of it. And the job market is not what it was 4 years ago…

JacquesHarlow · 26/06/2025 14:04

Sorry and before the pedants rush in, my title should really read:

" To think if you moved out to the countryside during Covid, you can't demand remote working IF IT IS NOT ON OFFER FROM THE EMPLOYER DURING HIRING " etc

As in , companies where they mandate a 4 day week in office and state it clearly in job application.

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