To find male aggression deeply disturbing to witness as a woman?

I think “men evolved” is an incorrect statement as clearly what you’re describing means they haven’t.

There are all manner of controlled contact sports men can get involved with if they want to hurt each other without killing - cos you know we “evolved” to that being illegal.

I agree absolutely. Its not just the shouting but the speed, size and power they have. Very intimidating and quite frightening as a smaller woman.

@Annielou67 wow there's no need for anyone to behave like that,he had no right to put hands on you that would intimidate anyone.
Some men really aren't right in the head.

I agree especially if someone you know and more so the older I get. There's something about it that can't be reasoned with. It also makes me want to shout things like fuck off you absolute imbecile which obviously wouldn't get a good response.

Animal isn't an insult, but an observation. Humans are animals, we did evolve (despite the opinions of young earth creationists) and therefore are the product of evolutionary biology but that doesn't mean we are preprogrammed robots.

You'll find 1000s of works discussing nature vs nurture. It's not an excuse for behaviour but shouldn't be ignored. Women have just spent years having to remind people that they are biologically different from men because it became fashionable to pretend otherwise.

If you're meeting a lot of 6.3 Brick shithouse women who scream in your face, I think you'll find those are men. Do you have trouble telling them apart?

I think I’m immune to it now

working in a men’s prison is a bit odd at times.

I hate it too. Especially if you see two or more men properly kicking off with each other, ie throwing punches and meaning it. I physically can't stand to watch it.

I had to watch some boxing in person once and had a similar feeling. As stupid as it sounds, I was surprised at how violently the punches landed. You don't really get a sense of it in TV.

Totally agree OP, makes me feel sick and disgusted in equal measure, have never seen female aggression anywhere near the level of male aggression and it’s beyond ugly

I totally do but there was domestic violence at home when I was growing up so put it down to that.

Yanbu. I'm instantly on edge at the noise of men shouting.

This thread just hit a nerve with me. I am usually quite passive and am now on holiday with my family. Major world tourist attraction food hall today, quite busy, 5 of us eating lunch, one of us went to the loo, a man came up and demanded the chair. I said ‘ I’m sorry no, my daughter has only gone to the bathroom’ he put his hand on my shoulder ( he was stood , I was seated) pressed down and loudly said something like ‘ I am having that chair’ I again said no and twisted away from him and started to stand up, at which point a young women on a nearby table said, it’s ok have mine and just gave him her chair part way through her dinner. He took it. I felt really bad that I didn’t stand up to him properly. I should have stood up for the young woman too. It was very dominating to have an unknown large man put his hand on your shoulder and press you down into your seat.

Humans are animals though. Scientifically speaking.

When I was a young woman I believed that the men you met would step up to protect you if you were in any kind of danger. You know walk you home in the dark, make sure he's between you and any bother in the street or the pub for example. If you were being bothered by a man that a decent man would intervene if he saw it. Not necessarily your partner or friend but that any decent man would automatically protect a woman.

Unfortunately I don't think that is the case today. I am much more fearful of men today that I ever was back in the day.

Nowadays if anyone sees anyone being bothered I think all they do is get out their phones to record it rather than step in.

It’s very intimidating…. But I experience this daily

i find it’s short lived and usually they feel the need to ‘explain’ it all afterwards

I'm not an animal. I don't regard men as a class as animals, and I think that doing so goes along with discredited, reactionary ideas about men being programmed to do certain things (fuck around, get into fights) by their 'evolutionary biology'.

I’ve spent a lot of time working in male-dominated environments, and over the years I’ve noticed one very obvious thing: the type of men who direct their anger and intimidation towards women, children, elderly or otherwise more vulnerable people are actually just complete and utter chicken shits 🤷🏻‍♀️
Generally they don’t behave that way towards men they find physically or socially imposing because they know those men could easily knock them into next week without blinking. So in order to make themselves feel more masculine and dominating, they direct it towards people they think are less capable of defending themselves.
I know fear is a normal human response for most people - we are biologically programmed to protect ourselves. But in the grand scheme of things? Those types of men are just pathetic little bitch boys who are so socially and physically inept, they can’t get the ego boost they so desperately crave by earning the respect of other men - so they find it by asserting what they view as dominance over what they view as weaker targets. And I swear the time I’ve spent serving in the army and working in pubs means I’ve now got a special radar for that particular brand of cunt. I can smell them a mile off

A former employer was exactly like that. I was used to his angry behaviour, but when it started to escalate and become more directed at me I walked straight out the door. I wasn't willing to find out what happens next, especially as I had already reported him to head office and had no idea what/if anything had been passed on to him. I've never felt so unsafe in my life.

I think this is more correct than many of us would like to believe. We are animals after all, and having just read a book about the evolution of why men behave badly, it sounds about right.

Yes, I was harassed on a train by a group of men coming back from Ascot last week (I was just trying to commute home in peace).

If it’s directed at me, yes.

If it’s not and it’s a 1:1 type aggressive situation it’s manageable but I think that’s because I had a job where de-escalation of that sort of thing happened regularly.

Big crowd aggression can absolutely get in the bin.

Yes it’s viscerally scary because it’s dangerous.

Trust your gut!

They're bigger and stronger than you probably

If you had a 6'3" 100kg Brick shithouse of a woman screaming in your face, you'd shit yourself equally

That’s one of the most bone-headed things I’ve read on here lately, especially given the current state of international geopolitics.

OP, of course you’re not unreasonable. If you’re hypervigilant because of past experiences with male aggression and/or violence, it’s not something you can just snap out of.

Men evolved to go out on 'hunting parties', 'war band raids', and the like. A significant proportion would not return from such excursions.
Modern life just does not give men enough opportunities to go and fight each other and get killed.