To think “non-binary” is becoming a fashion statement for some people rather than a true identity?

The sad thing is that if non binary didn't come with the label, name changes and sometimes surgery, I'd be right behind it (as would most of us I'm sure).

Push away the stereotypes of girl/woman and I applaud you.

I feel it can't be a coincidence that this exploded at a time young women seemed to morph into looking the same, and highly glamorous.

I see school prom photos and think I could never have looked like that. I can't do the professional makeup, false eyelashes, hair extensions etc. And I'm not criticising that, some look incredible but I just couldn't do it.

I wonder if it's a lot of 'I'm not that so must be something else'. In the 90s we were in long shirts, tank tops and baggy jeans. It was perhaps simpler to be a girl if you view it at surface level only.

But age and experience teaches us none of those things are what define us as a sex class.

It's easy to see how it appeals to ASD girls but I feel sad they feel they need to change into something else rather than accept they are just as female regardless of presentation.

I'm definitely non binary by this definition and so are all the smart funny successful women I know. My husband does the ironing loves clothes and gossiping so I will let him know he is too.

Genuine?

Beats me. I've read every one of the OPs posts and I'm still none the wiser about any of it.

And what would that mean?

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There is one single qualification for someone to be non-binary. And that's for them to have an internal sense that they're non-binary (or to assert that that's the case to others). So you can have the bloke-iest bloke in blokesville who presents as a bloke and does blokey things and they can be non-binary if that's how they views themself.

That's it. It would be OK if it remained there but there are people about who want these unusual identities to be the basis for reordering society, because of the power over others it will give them.

Ah, but apparently it only counts if you 'feel' non-binary. Just not being aligned with gender stereotypes isn't enough it seems.

The non-binary thing wrecks my head completely.

Surely everyone is non binary as not one person on this planet completely aligns with gender stereotypes.

At this point that kind of question tends to trigger cultural appropriation from indigenous cultures and you get references to "two spirit" and similar stuff.

And also why do you not find non- binary identities outside of relatively well off countries?

But I still don't really get your point, because surely the whole thing is just a trend? Nobody identified as non-binary a few years ago!

I'm hoping OP will expand, as it's one of those questions that has been asked many times and has yet to be answered coherently, in my experience.

@ArabellaScott Exactly my question, as a pp said, how do I know if my feeling like a woman is , in fact , what feeling like a man feels like, what if my feeling like a woman is nothing like what a woman should feel like.

It's all utter rubbish and makes my brain hurt.

Are you saying just cos she said she wasn’t car she really wasn’t? What if I’d said my neice identified as non binary? Would you still say she was playing a game of pretend? What is the difference?

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how do you know you have reached the point where you have transcended a binary category into the non-binary?

No, she didn't. Your niece probably played a game in which she pretended to be a cat.

But you don't have to confirm to every single socially created stereotype to fall into the "binary" category. Just as you can be a girly girl without falling into every single girl stereotype, or a laddish lad without falling into every single lad stereotype. These are rough descriptors, they're not necessary conditions.

I think that being a tomboy is an identity. It isn't a personality, because personality types transcend gender presentation.

What does 'feeling like a woman' feel like?

I spent the years between 3-5 pretending to be a pony

I’m a wizard with a wok - you should try my stir-fry

Pansexual... like really into Le Creuset?

I don't know if your post is intended to be a "gotcha" but DC's birth name was a traditionally male one. Their first trans name was a feminine version of it. They then changed that (at school at home we never used these names) to another female name, as they felt they needed one further away from their original male name to stop people accidentally using it.

When they told us about identifying as NB it was a new name. I don't want to say exactly what it is, but a bit a long the lines of Swampy, Ploy, Spree.

I'm aware whatever answers I give will not satisfy you, but I'm just giving an account of what happened with my DC and that I don't believe them to be narcissistic nor attention-seeking, as is the general consensus on this thread.

My brother was a dog for a bit....

Thanks, @AllProperTeaIsTheft . I’ve had it a bit long now and should have retired it a few weeks ago but I’m very attached to it.