To be annoyed nursery are refusing to continue to give my son his 30 hours from September because he starts school nursery later that month

No the funding mechanism is just too clunky. I don't think they can physically do this for you.

Anyway, the school nursery will be your main provider from 1st Sept and it's entirely reasonable that they claim the full amount.

I’m happy to be corrected but I believe it is not possible for a 30 hour entitlement to be split between two settings in any given month/term. One nursery claims the full amount and the other has to suck it up or charge the parent. The school nursery will be the ones claiming the funding so the private one has to charge… they will not be entitled to any funding for your child for any of September.

I haven’t read the comments but this is an administrative nightmare for the nursery! When they claim the hours from council they will be applying in July for Sept and recieve the whole terms!!! You’d have a period of time where the new nursery would seem no funding available and it would go into a change window. Honestly as annoying as it is I’d just pay full fees and know from the start of the new nursery funding is sorted

I’d be just grateful to have got so many hours of free nursery for your 3 children! It’s not that long ago that we didn’t get anything or 15 hours maximum. Many families had to decide not to have more than one or two children because they couldn’t have afforded the childcare! It’s only a few days! Sorry but you sound very entitled!

I do these claims for a nursery and we can’t put the claim in until November ! I have think I could claim 1 week for this patent but you run the risk of the other nursery having claimed for the full 13 weeks or whatever and then us not getting the money and having to Sort it all out ! A real hassle these claims and nurseries are under no obligation to actually provide a free place anyway

this is just no possible ! Your new nursery is getting the money for the next term.

The funding is for 38 weeks per year, a school year is 38 weeks, the school nursery will be using all of the funding available for that child. It’s not about hassle, they know there’s nothing available to claim.

The autumn funding term starts from 1st September…. You ‘can’ split funding but I’m assuming the nursery can’t be doing with the hassle of making a claim for 1 week 🤦🏻‍♀️

My nursery is a national chain. I can guarantee they aren’t loosing money from this. They have increased their fees so much that even with the funding you are basically paying exactly the same before that you were before it came in. Then on top of that they are now adding extra charges for things that were previously included so many parents are actually worse off. So in my particular case, yes they are definitely fleecing parents!

it’s not the case for much smaller nurseries I know!

It is way more complicated than you realise, and most councils once they have paid out for a term of hours, will not allow you to change setting. So if your nursery claims the funded hours in September, the school nursery won’t be able to until January. I’m sure you’d probably rather pay 5 days of the private nursery, than a whole term of the school nursery..

they're not "fleecing" anyone.

The government funding is too low and doesn't cover real costs. The proof is the number of nurseries which had to shut down, simply.

If the nursery is not receiving enough funding, it's fair they charge parents for the "extras" that are not covered.

Whether this is true or not I don’t know as my nursery has been fleecing parents out of all kinds of ‘extra expenses’ since funding came in that didn’t exist before so I’m a little distrusting of them. But I was told that only one childcare setting can claim for the child per term. September term will run from September - December, so they may actually be doing you a favour. If you get discounted for 5 days, you might end up needing to pay in full for the school nursery.

You are lucky they have not withdrawn the place for only 5 days, many settings would.

Absolutely this. They might even be doing you a favour because you've been there so long, who knows. Nurseries here are oversubscribed here. By allowing someone to come only for 5 days, it means another family has to find something else for the same 5 days.

Before all the unnecessary eye rolls maybe consider the fact that nursery fees have increased at an astronomical rate over the last few years and if you paid prior to funding then you paid a significantly lower amount relative to wages.

@Charliebrow yes it's much more complicated and how entitled are you? For those of us who had to pay for ALL childcare before these very generous allowances for working parents were brought in , I'd say be grateful for what you've had and just suck up a few days of nursery fees.🙄

Why move him? Why not keep him where he is?

We couldn't split it. I worked at a private nursery. It would go to the setting where the child is on "headcount day" which is often in October. You could always speak with the school and ask if they would transfer some of the funding to the nursery but it's doubtful they will - I only saw it happen a couple of times in nearly a decade.

So you want them to lose money and now you’re whinging that they don’t want to do that?

honestly, just ask. They will explain to you that you are being wildly unreasonable and why.

I think the only way to split between two settings is if you are attending one setting for, say, two days a week and the other for three. I believe you can’t split it the way you want

And he's funding will be going to the school nursery for that term

Finding comes for a term they can't do this op but they will allow him to go at full cost I feel this is reasonable

It’s irrelevant how much you’ve spent there

It’s much more complicated than that. There is a “headcount” day. Any children in nursery on that day get the funding for the whole term. If you change provider before that day the earlier provider gets nothing. If you change provider after it the later provider gets nothing. So are effectively looking after your child for free.

From my understanding nurseries can’t just claim for a couple days it’s on a term based so if the private nursery claimed for the full term it would fraudulent and would stop the school nursery from collecting that funding. So the private nursery is right to say for the couple of days it would have to be privately funded, couple you mange for a couple of days either with annual leave/ friends/ family to save paying the private fees.

No right to be annoyed at all sorry. The funding can't be used at one setting for a few days and then switched to another for the rest of the term, that's not how it works.

There is no entitlement to funding for only a few days at the start of the term if that term's funding is allocated to a different setting and the current nursery can't just give free childcare away.