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To refuse to commute with my colleague after hire car policy changed

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BethB89 · 24/06/2025 18:45

This is potentially a longish post so apologies!

As part of my job, this requires monthly travel to a site two hours away for an all day meeting with the other managers in our department. Until the start of this year, we’d arrange our own hire cars through our company’s partner and this would be an no cost to us. There was always four of us who needed to travel and we would have a car each.

As part of a cost cutting exercise, at the start of this year the policy changed so that we’d be required to share one car. Understandable and no issue.

The problem lies in the fact that of my other colleagues; one has left and wasn’t replaced, the other has an exception to not attend these meetings for the foreseeable future due to a personal matter - which leaves just me and a male colleague.

We’ve had three 4 hour round trips now and I can’t bite my tongue any longer.

I drove on the first occasion and he was critical of my driving, when I dropped him home he said he was glad to make it back in one piece and told me he hasn’t been that scared in a car since divorcing his ex wife who ‘struggled too’. Really rude - I have had no issues when driving and no complaints from anyone else.

To the next two journeys with him - if we are driving through a town and there’s an obviously attractive woman walking along he will slow the car down and blatantly stare at her (including a glance in the rear view mirror once we’ve passed). This makes me really uncomfortable and has happened multiple times across both journeys.

He repeatedly comments on other road users and will say ‘bet that’s a woman’ when he notices a car driving poorly.

The final straw was him opening the front windows and breaking wind really loudly in front of me.

I feel like he has no respect for me and I feel so uncomfortable now.

Would it be unreasonable of me to say I won’t travel with him again and will only attend the meeting if I drive myself there?

OP posts:
TruthOrAlethiometer · 25/06/2025 13:50

Coconutter24 · 25/06/2025 13:38

That doesn’t mean they will now pay for 2 cars instead of 1. The duty of care could be having a discussion with the guy about what’s expected on these business drives, they don’t have to change their policy and get 2 cars

They’d be stupid not to. What he is doing with the comments about women, slowing down to leer at women etc is classed as sexual harassment (it doesn’t need to be directed at the person complaining; his doing it around her counts as sexual harassment).

Once she reports sexual harassment, they would be absolutely idiots to then continue to force her to get into a vehicle alone with him. They must protect their staff from sexual harassment, they’re already guilty of not doing that but once they know about it, it is 100% their responsibility, if they put her back in that car with him then they are putting themselves at risk. If he says or does one more thing, after she has already complained, she can sue and win.

Clarabell77 · 25/06/2025 13:50

Coconutter24 · 25/06/2025 13:38

That doesn’t mean they will now pay for 2 cars instead of 1. The duty of care could be having a discussion with the guy about what’s expected on these business drives, they don’t have to change their policy and get 2 cars

Under the circumstances it would certainly not be unreasonable to make an exception to the policy. What do you think the journey in one car would be like if she has to share with him after raising the issue? Uncomfortable for OP, and not something she should need to endure, whether they educate him on expected behaviours or not.

Coconutter24 · 25/06/2025 13:38

Clarabell77 · 24/06/2025 19:05

No she wouldn’t, her employer has a duty of care towards her, and she shouldn’t be out of pocket because of some sexist pig.

That doesn’t mean they will now pay for 2 cars instead of 1. The duty of care could be having a discussion with the guy about what’s expected on these business drives, they don’t have to change their policy and get 2 cars

RH1234 · 25/06/2025 12:32

OooPourUsACupLove · 25/06/2025 12:22

LOL. You reckon he'd have let rip like that in front of a senior manager? Some women are so naive.

Was about to write this. He wouldn’t do it in-front of the senior management meeting that you were travelling to.

MyQuirkyTraybake · 25/06/2025 12:31

Don't say anything yet, write down everything you can remember so far with dates. Next drive, record covertly. Submit it all to HR.

OooPourUsACupLove · 25/06/2025 12:22

Growlybear83 · 24/06/2025 18:51

What was he meant to do if he needed to fart? At least he opened the windows first. Perhaps he should have pulled over, parked and got out of the car? 😆😆

LOL. You reckon he'd have let rip like that in front of a senior manager? Some women are so naive.

icelolly12 · 25/06/2025 11:42

Oh come on of course the majority of people can hold their bodily functions in and if he couldn't, the least he could do is apologise. Sounds like he just simply didn't care about his loud performative fart and wanted to make the op feel awkward.

SodOffbacktoaibu · 25/06/2025 11:37

dogcatkitten · 25/06/2025 10:04

(Most) builders wouldn't do that if there was a woman in the vehicle.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. 👍🏻

user1492757084 · 25/06/2025 11:31

Explain in full to work manager.
Have them brain storm an answer to your problem.
You should not have to put up with that rudeness.

Rhaidimiddim · 25/06/2025 11:25

BethB89 · 24/06/2025 18:45

This is potentially a longish post so apologies!

As part of my job, this requires monthly travel to a site two hours away for an all day meeting with the other managers in our department. Until the start of this year, we’d arrange our own hire cars through our company’s partner and this would be an no cost to us. There was always four of us who needed to travel and we would have a car each.

As part of a cost cutting exercise, at the start of this year the policy changed so that we’d be required to share one car. Understandable and no issue.

The problem lies in the fact that of my other colleagues; one has left and wasn’t replaced, the other has an exception to not attend these meetings for the foreseeable future due to a personal matter - which leaves just me and a male colleague.

We’ve had three 4 hour round trips now and I can’t bite my tongue any longer.

I drove on the first occasion and he was critical of my driving, when I dropped him home he said he was glad to make it back in one piece and told me he hasn’t been that scared in a car since divorcing his ex wife who ‘struggled too’. Really rude - I have had no issues when driving and no complaints from anyone else.

To the next two journeys with him - if we are driving through a town and there’s an obviously attractive woman walking along he will slow the car down and blatantly stare at her (including a glance in the rear view mirror once we’ve passed). This makes me really uncomfortable and has happened multiple times across both journeys.

He repeatedly comments on other road users and will say ‘bet that’s a woman’ when he notices a car driving poorly.

The final straw was him opening the front windows and breaking wind really loudly in front of me.

I feel like he has no respect for me and I feel so uncomfortable now.

Would it be unreasonable of me to say I won’t travel with him again and will only attend the meeting if I drive myself there?

You work with Jackson Lamb!!

WordOfTheDay · 25/06/2025 11:22

Growlybear83 · 24/06/2025 18:51

What was he meant to do if he needed to fart? At least he opened the windows first. Perhaps he should have pulled over, parked and got out of the car? 😆😆

I am always perplexed by comments like this or the comment that it is not possible for people to control their farts.

We all live in the world so know that we and others can control our farts to a very, large degree (continence problems withstanding). Very, very rare accidents aside, I've never farted in company and no one has ever farted in my company. I've been on the planet for 56 years. This is how things are when people are respectful in company.

If you are in company and you need to fart, you go to the toilet (or a place where no one is). You go to the toilet if you need to fart, pee, poop, or do other things that you shouldn't do in company.

If you are in the car with a work colleague, for instance, you either hold it in until you arrive at your destination, or if that will take too long, you say you need a toilet break, interrupt the journey and use the loo.

But why am I even writing this, we all know this.

Sweetleftfood · 25/06/2025 10:34

So ridiculous defending loud farting, as many has said, it doesn't usually happen in meetings does it? And we all know what kind of fart it was, not one that was inevitable but a performance one, which is incredibly unprofessional and totally immature and juvenile. Have a word with line manager/HR and see if you can use your own car as it's more convenient.

Pluvia · 25/06/2025 10:27

Growlybear83 · 24/06/2025 18:51

What was he meant to do if he needed to fart? At least he opened the windows first. Perhaps he should have pulled over, parked and got out of the car? 😆😆

Yes, this is what a normal person would do when travelling with a colleague. He's at work, he should behave professionally.

Agapornis · 25/06/2025 10:16

He is at work while driving, and his behaviour is not acceptable in the workplace. Refuse and explain why, and give them a link to this Acas page which explains it's sex-based harassment not directed at a specific person.

www.acas.org.uk/sex-discrimination/types-of-sex-discrimination#:~:text=Example%20of%20harassment%20not%20directed%20at%20a%20specific%20person

AutumnFog · 25/06/2025 10:13

Growlybear83 · 25/06/2025 10:11

Of course there’s no difference in the ability to hold back sneezes, farts or hiccups - they all happen when your body needs them to happen and the vast majority of people in real life can’t stop them.

if OP finds this man’s behaviour so unpleasant, surely the obvious thing would be to challenge him rather than to report it?

Unless someone's got continence issues of course they can hold a fart in.
Surely you don't sit farting during work meetings or at parents evening

dogcatkitten · 25/06/2025 10:12

Take headphones and an audio book (or just a book), totally ignore what he does or says and enjoy your peaceful ride to and from the meeting. Or take a laptop and paperwork and sit in the back to work, let him be chauffeur, either get ahead on your working week if you can, or catch up on your social life, or post a running commentary on MN.

Growlybear83 · 25/06/2025 10:11

AutumnFog · 25/06/2025 10:00

People can generally control farting unless they have a medical condition.. there are plenty of situations where its not appropriate.
Hiccups and sneezes can't be held in until a better moment like a fart can. Pulling over for a toilet break or leg stretch would have been the logical thing to do.

Of course there’s no difference in the ability to hold back sneezes, farts or hiccups - they all happen when your body needs them to happen and the vast majority of people in real life can’t stop them.

if OP finds this man’s behaviour so unpleasant, surely the obvious thing would be to challenge him rather than to report it?

Trickedbyadoughnut · 25/06/2025 10:10

ClareBlue · 25/06/2025 08:21

He's an idiot and this could be the end of his employment if you persue it, which is your decision. It comes within workplace legislation and policies. There is plenty of case law around men making derogatory or sexual comments about women in general in front of women being classified as sexual harassment. It doesn't have to be directed at you. The confined space of a car and time forced to be together is an aggregating factor. You don't have to endure this and nobody should minimise it in your organisation if you report it. It shouldn't be you inconvenienced getting a train etc, either.

Yes, absolutely this. Straight to HR.

ButterCrackers · 25/06/2025 10:04

His comments about your driving are sexist so need reporting as does his harassment. You don’t have to put up with this - ask for your own car or is public transport an option?

dogcatkitten · 25/06/2025 10:04

SodOffbacktoaibu · 24/06/2025 19:15

Oh FFS seriously?

It's not a van of fucking builders. He can keep it in like the rest of us. I have never needed to let rip in front of a colleague. Id be mortified.

@BethB89 he's a pig. Report him to HR. Or just email them to state you are not comfortable being alone in a car with him and will not drive him.

(Most) builders wouldn't do that if there was a woman in the vehicle.

AutumnFog · 25/06/2025 10:00

Growlybear83 · 25/06/2025 09:55

Would all the people who are so outraged about someone farting be similarly horrified by someone sneezing or hiccuping? They’re all normal bodily functions, and most people I know can’t stop any of them, although I think it’s usually possible to control the volume, but not always.

People can generally control farting unless they have a medical condition.. there are plenty of situations where its not appropriate.
Hiccups and sneezes can't be held in until a better moment like a fart can. Pulling over for a toilet break or leg stretch would have been the logical thing to do.

AutumnFog · 25/06/2025 09:56

Iceboy80 · 24/06/2025 19:47

And that's why men and women should not work together, the only issue did that's wrong is farting in the car, that's not on but maybe you are a bad driver or maybe he is just a poor passenger.

There's no issue working with men who don't repeatedly make sexist comments and slow down to creepily perv on women pedestrians. That's not normal behaviour at all.

AndImBrit · 25/06/2025 09:56

Iceboy80 · 24/06/2025 19:47

And that's why men and women should not work together, the only issue did that's wrong is farting in the car, that's not on but maybe you are a bad driver or maybe he is just a poor passenger.

If that’s your logic, surely this is why men shouldn’t work at all?

If men are intrinsically unable to work in a way that is respectful to colleagues, probably best we leave the important work to women who can control their sexual desires when required.

Growlybear83 · 25/06/2025 09:55

Would all the people who are so outraged about someone farting be similarly horrified by someone sneezing or hiccuping? They’re all normal bodily functions, and most people I know can’t stop any of them, although I think it’s usually possible to control the volume, but not always.

Imbusytodaysorry · 25/06/2025 09:51

Growlybear83 · 24/06/2025 18:51

What was he meant to do if he needed to fart? At least he opened the windows first. Perhaps he should have pulled over, parked and got out of the car? 😆😆

Yes of course he should have !
Showing who you really are too with that comment .