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Work announced a move from 2 days to 4 days

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Everanewbie · 24/06/2025 14:54

Hi all. I'm looking for some suggestions of what avenues I might have.

I started a job just over a year ago. It is company that I worked for some time ago, but had to leave due to personal circumstances, which was with regret. I was thrilled to be offered the job. I applied and received the offer where I was told at both I was obligated to be in the office twice a week.

I left a job that was entirely remote (well, with the exception of trips in to London maybe once a month) to take up this role, accepting two days in person because I was excited by the role. Pay incidentally, is much the same, above the average, but only HRT if a decent bonus is paid. I now pay to park in a city centre twice a week and drive maybe 10 miles or so to get there.

I have child that is full time in nursery and my husband works long days. He is the main breadwinner in a job that is very well paid, think 6 figures, but only just. This means that I do the majority of nursery drop offs and pickups, however, he helps where his hours allow. We also have a dog. He is great at home on his own, but I only resort to that one day a week as a try to work my other day when my husband is off or on a shorter day.

So now, out of the blue, my firm have announced they expect people in the office 4 days per week. This will not work for me. Days will be too long, I'll be £60pw on parking, plus I will need to employ a dog walker 4 days a week. The salary no longer looks decent when you consider this.

I've heard about flexible working requests, and heard that these are considered on a case-by-case basis, but does any HR-y posters have any thoughts on the merits?

Would you be weighing up other options? Speaking to my manager, or holding my cards close to my chest?

I really don't want to leave this job, but I don't have the energy to be a mum and husband to do this, and the salary will no longer be competitive.

OP posts:
Fangisnotacoward · 24/06/2025 18:01

You might have to stick it out for now, but vote with your feet and look for something else.

If everyone now has to go in 4 days a week, ill bet there are a few who are looking to jump ship.

Rainbow889 · 24/06/2025 17:55

I think you would have had more sympathy if you posted without all the background. It's no one's business what your childcare or dog care arrangements are. Your family is not more or less deserving of understanding than mine or someone else's.

The facts are:

  • you agreed to the job based on you being in the office 2 days a week
  • they are changing the goal posts by asking you to come in 4 days

You could try and make a request to stay the same arrangement but be prepared for them to say no.

It's up to you what you do next.

gem90xo · 24/06/2025 17:49

I really feel your pain and this kind of thing is so frustrating, and I believe completely unnecessary! I don’t think anyone should be forced to be in the office for any more time than they need to be.

I have to be in the office judg two days a week but since my railcard ended my train fares have become so expensive (£35 one way!) and I also have a 2 hour commute door to door. I’ve just found out that I’m pregnant so I will definitely be requesting something more flexible once I return from Mat leave to either one day only or remote, and if they can’t accommodate I will need to look for a remote or more local. I wouldn’t jump to looking for a new job until you have spoken to them about this, but maybe make it clear that you may need to if they aren’t able to accommodate slightly.

I really think it’s so unfair how people (and especially women who have children) are expected to juggle 9-5 in an office everyday with the costs of childcare, drop offs pick ups as well as everything else! I hope the conversation goes well x

WhiteRosesAndCandles · 24/06/2025 17:47

I would apply for an adjustment. If it isn't granted, I would look for alternative employment.

My company includes hybrid working as a core benefit. I can see this being eroded to being nearly full time in the office. I think a lot of large companies are reverting to office working under the guise of collaboration.

I have been self employed and have WFH for more than 20 years. My experience is that people are much more productive WFH.

There is a drive for people to come into the office. There isn't enough desk space for everyone. I hot desk by random people. It's a waste of time and money. Staff engagement is going to be negatively impacted.

taptaroundtheworld · 24/06/2025 17:45

Have a look how it actually pans our. We have officially 4 days in the office, but nobody does that. Some people do 3, most 2. As long as there are no complaints, nobody cares.

Plantladylover · 24/06/2025 17:45

Everanewbie · 24/06/2025 16:20

Thanks for your post. A dog walker would be, what £15 per day? Add that to my £11 parking, whatever the petrol is, and I'm working the first hour or more to cover my costs. I would never have left my previous role for that set up. I realise other people pay for their costs, but hey, some people get final salary pensions, company cars, private medical insurance and so on. You deal with your conditions and most would be annoyed if any of those things were taken away on a whim.

The flexible working may be an option for my husband, however, I'm not sure if you've worked in the NHS, but a year 1 consultant doesn't really get to throw their weight around like that. Besides, the goalposts were fixed for him, its my company that are shifting things.

unless I misunderstood your OP II thought you said you were a higher rate taxpayer if you got a bonus. £11 for parking and £15 for a dog walker isn't really much :) Hell of a lot cheaper than childcare

EarringsandLipstick · 24/06/2025 17:44

Weepixie · 24/06/2025 17:43

You can ask for flexible working, but when your DH is earning over 100k arguing about 2 days extra parking and a dog walker won’t look good

The husbands salary is nothing to do with the OP’s employer.

Completely agree with this.

EarringsandLipstick · 24/06/2025 17:44

I don't blame you OP for being annoyed and frustrated at this decision. You weren't unreasonable to take the email and other communications stating it was a hybrid role, and the arrangements therein, as the basis for your working conditions.

However, contractually, as you state The actual contract has the office down as the normal place of work they have covered themselves.

I do think having a straightforward, non-game playing conversation with the decision-maker in this case is the way to go. I'd be honest - no need for explicit mention of dogs and such like, but I think it's fine to say that you based your decision to take the role on its compatibility in terms of working conditions with your family / home commitments, and is there any flexibility around the 4 day onsite option?

Perhaps in discussions there is a middle ground available that will work for everyone - if not, I do think the option will be to look for another role and to be very clear from a contract position that WFH arrangements are explicitly laid out and clear.

Weepixie · 24/06/2025 17:43

You can ask for flexible working, but when your DH is earning over 100k arguing about 2 days extra parking and a dog walker won’t look good

The husbands salary is nothing to do with the OP’s employer.

Plantladylover · 24/06/2025 17:43

Do you work 4 or 5 days a week? From a legal/HR perspective is WFH considered a flexible working request? I thought it was just PT working or reduced days etc.

I agree with PP.s it depends what's in your contract.

Also agree it's a sign of the times. So many people got used to WFH, cheaper childcare/dogcare/commuting etc. (that's not a criticism btw) It was fine with covid and after but now many workplaces see that productivity and career progression is better with people in the office.

There's also no denying that many people really do take the piss WFH. Companies shouldn't have to put up with it.

As you say, it maybe a case of voting with your feet. I suppose all you can do is weigh up what matter most to you. Of course, try all you can to continue or even at a push 3 days but then if they don't agree see what other options you have.

Crushed23 · 24/06/2025 17:35

Everanewbie · 24/06/2025 16:45

Yes. When you get an email from the hiring manager saying something along the lines of "It was great to meet with you today Everanewbie, and we believe that you have the right skills for the role and your personality is a great fit for the office culture. We would like to offer you the role with a salary of £. We work a hybrid week where you will be expected to be in the office two days per week, with the remaining 3 days per week from home, however, you are welcome to come in more often if you prefer." I thought it was a fair assumption to take someone at their word. Maybe not.

They moved the goalposts. That’s indisputable. Can you go back to your old role? You say it’s the same salary, so aren’t you better off as it’s 100% remote so no commuting costs?

AngelicKaty · 24/06/2025 17:35

@Everanewbie OP, I think it's worth checking something before making a flexible working request (that the business could reasonably refuse based on business need).
Whilst an employment contract can vary the terms outlined in a previous offer letter, this can only be done if both the employer and employee agree to the changes or if the contract contains a variation clause, which allows your employer to unilaterally make certain changes. Does your contract contain a variation clause, OP? (It's usually very obvious as it's generally sub-titled something like "Variations"). If it doesn't, you could argue that your employer doesn't have the right to unilaterally change your working location/pattern as laid out in your offer letter.

Everanewbie · 24/06/2025 17:33

AnonymousBleep · 24/06/2025 17:00

That depends on whether they've stated their business reasons, rather than doing this on a whim. The OP hasn't told us what their business reasons are for the change in policy.

I did in an earlier post. Poor annual results led to a drive on culture. Collaboration. Don’t want to be too outing but my reasonably boutique firm was bought out by a large multinational who have imposed this, rather than my small office team.

OP posts:
Zuma76 · 24/06/2025 17:32

I would suggest a flexible working request. Set out clearly that you accepted the job on the basis of the offer, which was clearly defined in terms of home/ office working. Then set out the reasons why your role can continue to be done on the current hybrid pattern and why having you in the office will have no impact on the team. Offer a compromise 5 days from the officer every fortnight.

Princessfluffy · 24/06/2025 17:27

I think employees need to vote with their feet and you should find alternative employment that works for you if you can.

SassyTurtle · 24/06/2025 17:26

womentoo · 24/06/2025 17:23

The shift is away from hybrid to more and more time in the office. I would not advise anyone to take a job assuming the current hybrid on offer will stand.

Companies are very sneaky as they don’t write the hybrid bit in the contract which means they can change it whenever they like!

DunnoMate · 24/06/2025 17:26

Haven’t read through but I am totally pissed off with employers that do this.

People set their lives up around work, that is nothing new, and changing the goal posts has implications on the employee AND their family in my experience.

Total lack of respect, and most definitely not a way to increase productivity or engagement. Fools.

Op. Is this a stealth cull? Do you think they want to piss people off and have people resign rather than sacking a chunk of the workforce?

womentoo · 24/06/2025 17:23

The shift is away from hybrid to more and more time in the office. I would not advise anyone to take a job assuming the current hybrid on offer will stand.

Nichebitch · 24/06/2025 17:18

Apologies if you have replied to this already - does it say 2 days in the office in your offer letter? I get that it’s not in your contract - but I would make very clear those were your expectations, and if that’s ignored, I would also make clear that the new arrangements don’t work for you and that you’ll be looking to move.

EveInEden · 24/06/2025 17:13

I feel for you OP. My department was recruited on WFH contracts across GB. My organisation, who has moved to hybrid, now only grants hybrid contracts on promotion. Essentially cutting off promotion opportunities for my department unless you're willing to add 4 to 5 hours worth of commute a day, and pay for it.

Worse, I have to enforce it in my team. I'm looking for other WFH opportunities elsewhere, and am willing to take a pay cut.

Mildmanneredmum · 24/06/2025 17:13

A genuine question, which I know may not be the point of your original post, but if the salary is the same, why did you leave your previous fully WFH job?

SassyTurtle · 24/06/2025 17:09

greengreyblue · 24/06/2025 17:06

Sorry but op took the job on the offer made. That included the hours and the wfh basis. This is the case for most parents who work.

I agree with you, but unfortunately unless its written in contract which most companies are hesitant to do. They can change it based on "business needs", they do not need to explain or justify. They can change whatever they like. Its bait and switch.

80smonster · 24/06/2025 17:07

Agree with PP leave the dog out of it. Maybe find another job with full flexibility (you clearly need it), and then speak to your manager when you have another job (with the right terms) in hand. Otherwise it’s put up and shut up.

greengreyblue · 24/06/2025 17:06

chocolatemademefat · 24/06/2025 16:06

I’m fed up with people moaning that having to go into the office to do a paid job interferes with their childcare. How do they think others cope if they work in jobs that can’t be done from home. If you’re doing childcare you’re not giving your work your full attention. Do what the rest of us do - pay for childcare then that’s one less worry for you. It comes with having children.

Sorry but op took the job on the offer made. That included the hours and the wfh basis. This is the case for most parents who work.

Setyoufree · 24/06/2025 17:04

TopsyTurvyDays · 24/06/2025 16:59

In addition, I think it would be reasonable to say that the additional costs incurred require a salary increase to cover.

Alternatively you can think of it that the travel costs saved have been a nice bonus while it lasted.