Gender swap situation

How is it a “fundamental characteristic of their person”? Please say more.

If it is, why has the number of people with this characteristic increased so, so dramatically in such a short time since ideas about it began circulating widely on social media sites and the internet?

If It’s a fundamental characteristic, why did the GIDS data show a 4,000% increase in the number of girls referred to them as “trans” in the 2010s?

Why does your “reality” need to involve insisting who someone else is and what words should be used to describe/ address them, despite how offensive and upsetting it is to the actual person in question ?

Maybe do a little reflection on that.

What I am supporting?

I am supporting understanding , tolerance and non-discrimination against people based on a fundamental characteristic of their person, which they can’t help and which , despite being different from the majority, is just a-ok . there is nothing wrong with being trans at all, it’s just different.

That’s what I am supporting.

Exactly. It's one thing to try to reinvent your own reality. But entirely another to try to do that to everyone else.

And here's the thing. A brother has known that his sister is female and has related to her as his sister for the whole of their shared childhoods and now he is accused of "probable" transphobia for not immediately accepting her as a boy.

What a cruel thing to say. Can you not hear how blinkered, intolerant and ignorant it sounds?

I don't think all trans activists want to rape or burn women, but there are proportion who have no qualms about saying they do.

https://terfisaslur.com

The issue is less about numbers and more that women are being told that they are supposed to accept these exact men into their spaces and hey are bigots if they don't.

And seriously, you can't see the colossal misogyny in that, not to mention a total disregard for women's safety?

@HerNeighbourTotoro

Please complete the sentence

I don’t think that young girls sharing changing rooms with men is a problem because…………...

@HerNeighbourTotoro @Tandora

You just can’t answer the questions can you?

Doesn’t that tell you something.

Stop and think what you are supporting.

I'm very open to being educated. The problem is, all the education I'm receiving from people on these threads, the facts, statistics, scientific evidence is coming from one side.

All the people on the other are doing is, variously, saying I should not concern myself with things that I don't understand, that they can't be bothered to type out replies to people's questions, sneering at people, calling them bigots and insisting that some men are women so should be allowed in women's spaces, without explaining why.
When you want to gain acceptance for something to radical as some men are women, with all the practical implications for women (sharing refuges and prison cells, disadvantage in sport, changing our language for ourselves to include 'cis' or 'pregnant person') the burden of proof should really rest with those requiring others to make the change.
It's a bit much to tell us we have to do all these things for this tiny minority and that's its our own responsibility to educate ourselves as to why.

How often do you see these convos? I am a parent with kids in two primary schools, not an issue. I taught as supply in 10+ schools in the last few years (a few of these in schools with a number or trans people)- not an issue. I am however sure there are a few very outspoken parents here and there, but you make it seem like there is a wave of thousands of parents in each school demanding girls to share toilets, and there arent.
Are the parents you supposedly see ''all the time" even parents of trans children? Or virtue signallers who have no clue and give everyone a bad name?

The person I quoted seems to think all trans activists want to burn and rape women- I know a few and they are the gentlest, nicest people (much nicer than many people on this thread)- really maybe go and educate yourself, you may be surprised most trans people dont want the end of women really.

Just wanted to add I dont understand why your daughter is confused her brother calles Ron by the given name- many trans people are not accepted by their families (I had students in the past whose parents never supported them, the result was very sad for the kids). The brother may probably be a transphobe too. Not uncommon.

If your daughter does not want to continue the friednship because she cant give Ron the minimum of respect by doing something so simple as using the name they want, she should step away and do Ron a favour and let him find friends who will be actual friends. Ron is probably better off without a 'friend' like this.

Ron doing whatever he wants with his identity has nothing to do with your daughter, he's not forcing her to be trans or transition, he only wants for her tto use a certain name not another. Instead both of you are probably more likely going on a cruisade against an imaginary problem and punishing him because you disagree with the whole issue. The kid is just a kid and has a right to explore his identity without your judgement.

What’s psychotic? I see parents on school groups having a go at people who think their early primary daughter shouldn’t be made uncomfortable by sharing toilets with boys. Calling them bigoted transphobes. That doesn’t seem far off psychotic to be honest, mentally healthy adults with kids of their own should all be aware of the violence and sexual assault risk girls face and want to protect them and help them build solid boundaries and go to school in safe places.

How many of psychotic trans activists do you know irl? I dont know a single one. But I know a fair bunch of trans people who are not trying to rape or burn me or anyone else and lead a normal life. Why do you extend one person's conduct onto the whole group?
Following your 'logic' or lack of, Maria Lvova-Belova has been been accused of beign a war criminal and also happens to be a woman and is not trans, do we think that all women are war criminals guilty by association of being women?

That’s some Olympic level deflection.

I take it you can’t answer the question.

I bet you aren’t!

Sorry but I won’t be taking questions at this time

That’s an odd point to focus on in that whole comment. Did you not want to respond to the part about should your daughter be expected to change next to a man? Are you team ‘she can look the other way and not see his erection’ Laurie Penny?

So tell me, do people magically change sex, and if so, how?

I’ve had ‘we can see you’ from GC types on here before. It’s all a bit Game Of Thrones high sparrow for me tbh

Don’t be daft. If saying you don’t want your elderly mum on a ward in a bed next to a man, or that you don’t want your young daughter to be changing next to a fully grown adult man is “phobia and prejudice”, then @Tandora and all the lot of you gender ideologues need to be willing to say that loud and proud, and not equivocate about it:

“Yes, I think that young teenage girls should have to change clothes at the swimming pool next to fully grown adult men, because the man’s inner belief that he is a woman is more important than children’s privacy.”

Or what about:

“Yes, I think that teenage girls should have to change clothes at the swimming pool next to fully grown adult men, because I believe that the man has magically actually become a woman, even if he looks exactly like a fully grown adult man.”

Not willing to say that out loud, but still want to accuse other women of “phobia and prejudice” for not wanting that? We can all see you.

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Stand by it where? In GC court? You do know this is the internet

DontTouchRoach · 24/06/2025 11:32

I’m sure you know what response to this you’ll get on Mumsnet where the prevailing view on trans issues is out of step with the general population.

No, that's incorrect. MN isn't a hotbed of genderist ideologues.

Nowt to do with psychotic trans activists assaulting women in public, or threatening rape, murder and burning, then? And wondering why people haven't been charmed into acquiescence.

Show me where I said anything about the number of sexes or whether anyone can change sex. You won't be able to, because I have said precisely nothing about that.🙄

Oh dear. Maybe you should have taken a minute to read what I actually said before making your rather empty yet very wordy response. I didn’t claim that YOU said anything of the kind.

I do find it interesting that you are busily policing the recently made up rules around this ideology. I don’t really care. I can just invoke reality.

As a general point, many people in cults have no idea that they are in one.