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Breakdown in friend group - who is right?

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Tornad · 24/06/2025 09:00

I’m not either of these two people.

P, W and 3 others have been friend since school, almost 30 years. Now all getting married, having children, etc. Don’t live locally to one another but still close and see each other very regularly (almost always as a group or one-on-one - i.e. we would never meet up as a three or a four without everyone being invited).

W has always been high maintenance as a friend. She expects us to be there for her, get birthday presents, attend birthday events, etc. She also gives out the same energy. She will always organise gifts,I’ve heaven and earth to attend special moments and be on the end of the phone. So, she’s not a hypocrite or a taker. She just expects a lot from friendship in general.

P has always been more relaxed. Unreliable, late to things, forgets things, doesn’t respond for months at a time, didn’t hear her phone… but she’s really fun to be around. Witty, cool, energetic. But, since having her own kids, P has also become quite high maintenance. Everything is a drama, the world is ending every couple of weeks, everything revolves around her DS. She’s very “crunchy mum” and makes her opinions known on our parenting and nutrition. I’m hoping this will pass because I wouldn’t befriend her if I met her now.

Anyway. W is pregnant and being induced early. She hasn’t said but I assume this is for medical reasons. They don’t tend to induce early just for fun. The date for the induction is P’s birthday. P is furious about this. She thinks that W has done this on purpose to usurp her birthday. She has vowed to never speak to W again and says that it’s “the final straw”.

My initial thought is that P is being ridiculous but, the more I think about it, W has always made a big deal out of birthdays and now P won’t be W’s focus on her birthday, her DD/DS will be.

Who is right here?

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JIMER202 · 24/06/2025 14:48

W has done nothing wrong so posters can’t tell you she has. But good for her if she is prioritising her own baby and tbh it sounds like P is a user who was using her to sort her birthday all these years when she’s actually a twat herself. I’d be done with P and the one now ignoring you.

MakeItToTheMoon · 24/06/2025 14:47

For people of this age you’d think that birthdays would be celebrated with their families first? Friends then would find another day to celebrate together and a fuss could be made of them?

Is P a narcissist? (I’m no way knowledgeable in the topic but from the sounds of it, it’s all about her… and she doesn’t care about you or W). It’s all over something trivial. You also said you wouldn’t be friends with her if you met her now.

Does she bring anything into your life except for drama? Does she genuinely let care about you or go out of her way for you?

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:47

Swiftie1878 · 24/06/2025 14:40

The only thing I can say that I think you may have got wrong is to even give this matter any headspace/credence. It should be painfully obvious that P is out of line, and her antics should not be tolerated. The fact you need reassurance on this is a little odd tbh.

Thinking about it, P was supposed to be the laid back one and has only become high maintenance since she had a child. Is she OK? Is she suffering with PND by chance?

Thank you.

I appreciate you giving an answer. I probably should have had more faith in my original opinion and not second-guessed myself. Having said that, I don’t think that second-guessing myself deserves the vitriol I’ve received on here. And I still can’t see anything W has done wrong.

I don’t know if P is suffering. She’s become extremely difficult in a lot of ways but I think it’s not entirely post-DC. She has been more judgmental over the few years leading up to that too. Her DS is 4 now so it would be a long time, but not impossible by a long stretch. She is definitely struggling in a lot of ways but I don’t know if this is related to that.

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bruffin · 24/06/2025 14:44

Bunnycat101 · 24/06/2025 09:14

I think you and P need to grow the hell up. Induction is no picnic and being induced early suggests there is a problem. Support your friend instead of bitching about birthdays and who is more important.

As an aside, there is a good chance she won’t give birth on that day. My daughter came 3 days after my early induction and it was a difficult and challenging birth. I don’t think I’d ever speak to anyone again who started moaning about the date of my induction.

DS was induced on my birthday ,induction was started 6.30am monday morning he arrived Wednesday night at 10.40.

AngelicKaty · 24/06/2025 14:44

Tornad · 24/06/2025 13:20

I wasn’t speaking to them about it - I was messaging and calling because we agreed to go to a festival together this weekend and were sorting logistics for that.

From my perspective, I got a long, crying voice note from P. I responded saying what I’ve said here (i.e. probably medical, no choice on dates, doesn’t really matter, etc). No response. Then silence from the other friend too (having messaged several times a week for years). This reaction made me wonder if I had potentially missed something.

And, according to mumsnet, I’m an awful person because I didn’t simply cease to exist when this happened. I have people tell me I’m awful for not tearing into P and people tell me I’m awful for speaking to P at all - either way, I’m the bad guy 🙄😂

OP, is it possible that P and the other friend now seemingly ignoring you have found out that W was able to choose her induction date and so she has done this deliberately? (Unlikely, I know, and as pps have pointed out, it still doesn't mean W will give birth on the date she's induced). Have you asked P why she thinks W has any control over her induction date?

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:43

MakeItToTheMoon · 24/06/2025 14:40

Genuine question, please don’t take offence. But how old are P and W?

38 and 39

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MakeItToTheMoon · 24/06/2025 14:40

Genuine question, please don’t take offence. But how old are P and W?

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:40

Sleepthief · 24/06/2025 14:37

The irony being that if P cuts W off entirely for these reasons, W certainly won’t be putting ANY energy into P’s future birthdays! 🤦‍♀️ P sounds like unnecessarily hard work, while W probably needs all the extra support she can get from her friends if she’s facing an early induction for reasons she hasn’t felt able to share with the group…

W is a very private person when it comes to negative things. She’s a big celebrator and cheerleader but simply doesn’t discuss negative things - she’s always been this way. I think she simply copes easier that way - so it’s not unusual that she hasn’t shared. We were absolute best friends and school and her dad passed away - and she just never spoke about it.

I would’ve reached out to her about it but, knowing her, she wouldn’t appreciate it and would’ve preferred that I didn’t raise it.

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Swiftie1878 · 24/06/2025 14:40

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:33

Firstly, I’m not “banging on”. I’m replying to people who have commented. That’s how these things tend to work.

Secondly, I would like one person (just one) to say what I did wrong and what W did wrong (without inventing lies). Plenty have said we’re awful people. Plenty have been rude and nasty. Plenty have made up lies and their own version of events. Not one single person has actually said what we’ve done wrong.

The only thing I can say that I think you may have got wrong is to even give this matter any headspace/credence. It should be painfully obvious that P is out of line, and her antics should not be tolerated. The fact you need reassurance on this is a little odd tbh.

Thinking about it, P was supposed to be the laid back one and has only become high maintenance since she had a child. Is she OK? Is she suffering with PND by chance?

JIMER202 · 24/06/2025 14:39

I’d have stopped being good friends with P a long time ago because she was t relaxed. Being late, not responding for months at a time is a shit friend. The constant dramas are something I can’t be coping with or other peoples children being the center of everything when I have my own children.
She also sounds like a judgy arsehole who can’t keep her mouth shut on other peoples parenting.

She is now being PATHETIC. My baby was induced a month early and could have died and if anyone had acted this way to me they’d have been cut off for good. Really failing to see what P adds to anyone. Why can her DS be the centre of everyone’s attention but W can’t prioritise her own child? And now they don’t induce early for no reason ffs!

Confusedorabused · 24/06/2025 14:39

P is being massively unreasonable! W doesn't get a liat of dates to choose for her induction!
She might not even have the baby on the same day she is being induced (I had mine the next day at night, 38hrs total, which I heard is quite common with inductions)...
Which means P still "doesn't have to share her birthday" .... I feel ridiculous just writing this, is she 5?

Sleepthief · 24/06/2025 14:37

Tornad · 24/06/2025 13:57

Yes - this is the concern. P thinks that W will transfer the energy she currently puts into P’s birthday into her DD/DS instead and that she’ll not have the same birthday experience as the rest of us. Because P was always less organised than the rest of us, I guess W maybe played a bigger part in organising things for P.

She also thinks that W is trying to make P’s birthday all about her. P would expect everyone to attend her DD/DS’s birthday party and that kind of thing.

I don’t even know if W knows about how P feels or if they’ve spoken at all.

The irony being that if P cuts W off entirely for these reasons, W certainly won’t be putting ANY energy into P’s future birthdays! 🤦‍♀️ P sounds like unnecessarily hard work, while W probably needs all the extra support she can get from her friends if she’s facing an early induction for reasons she hasn’t felt able to share with the group…

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:33

Whattodo1610 · 24/06/2025 14:30

But what do you actually want from this thread now OP? You’ve had your answer. P is ridiculous. I’m genuinely confused as to why you’re still arguing and banging on?

Firstly, I’m not “banging on”. I’m replying to people who have commented. That’s how these things tend to work.

Secondly, I would like one person (just one) to say what I did wrong and what W did wrong (without inventing lies). Plenty have said we’re awful people. Plenty have been rude and nasty. Plenty have made up lies and their own version of events. Not one single person has actually said what we’ve done wrong.

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ArtfulCrow · 24/06/2025 14:33

OP, what you’ve described is a ridiculous, childish situation. You can’t see this, otherwise why would you be posting here about it?

Now people are giving you their opinions about the situation and the people involved and you’re kicking off about it!

Heronwatcher · 24/06/2025 14:32

Not sure if anyone has said this already but this level of batshit in a thread is almost guaranteed to be picked up by the daily fail so OP you might want to bear this in mind.

Kipperandarthur · 24/06/2025 14:30

Whattodo1610 · 24/06/2025 14:30

But what do you actually want from this thread now OP? You’ve had your answer. P is ridiculous. I’m genuinely confused as to why you’re still arguing and banging on?

I can't understand it either!

Whattodo1610 · 24/06/2025 14:30

But what do you actually want from this thread now OP? You’ve had your answer. P is ridiculous. I’m genuinely confused as to why you’re still arguing and banging on?

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:28

friendlycat · 24/06/2025 14:22

You seem to be revelling now in the drama of it all. People think P is being ridiculous. That’s what everyone has said. Isn’t that the end of it ?

You asked for people’s thoughts. But now you are just being rude yourself.

I actually think you should all grow up frankly.

As should you.

I haven’t been remotely rude to anyone who wasn’t rude to me. I don’t know why you (or they) think they can be rude and expect that no one says anything back. Part of “growing up” is realising you don’t get to treat people like scum without someone saying something back.

Don’t be rude if you don’t like being spoken to rudely. It’s not hard. I managed it with every single person who wasn’t rude to me first. I don’t know why you’ve struggled

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AngelicKaty · 24/06/2025 14:27

Tornad · 24/06/2025 12:57

Someone commented saying W is a psycho…

No, @JaneEyre40 actually wrote "If W actually did this....she's a psycho" and the "this" she seems to be referring to is in your first post where P is accusing W of being induced on that specific day deliberately to "usurp her birthday" (as if W has a choice about the date she will be induced, but @JaneEyre40 may not realise this).
You need to slow down OP, read people's responses more carefully and reply more appropriately, without stripping out the context of what people have posted.
I haven't voted because it's not clear to me what your vote is for, but just to add to the chorus of pps: W is doing nothing wrong and P is being self-centred and melodramatic. You would be doing P a favour if you could talk some sense into her - I do hope W isn't aware of her accusation, which is extraordinary and rather unkind at a time when W seems to need additional support from her friends.

BrickBiscuit · 24/06/2025 14:27

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:25

And?

What in the OP do you disagree with then?

What in the OP do you want me to vote on?

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:25

BrickBiscuit · 24/06/2025 14:24

Your quote here is from a drip several dozen posts in, not the OP on which we are voting. Your OP does not specify what you want us to say is U or NU.

And?

What in the OP do you disagree with then?

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IchiNiSanShiGo · 24/06/2025 14:25

P is unhinged for thinking W did it on purpose. And crying about it. Absolute lunacy.

You did right to tell her what you thought. If P is now ignoring you I’d leave her to it.

I’d be more concerned about your other friend who is ignoring you, especially if you’re supposed to be going to a festival together this weekend. Hope she gets in touch soon.

BrickBiscuit · 24/06/2025 14:24

Tornad · 24/06/2025 13:06

That P is in the wrong and being ridiculous.

“I tried to be as balanced as I could in my OP but I completely agree with you - I just wanted to see if I was missing something.
I have already said to P:

  • That she is likely being induced for medical reasons.
  • That she may not give birth on that day anyway.
  • That she probably didn’t have a choice.
  • That she has lots of friends and family, so the likelihood of it falling on someone’s birthday is pretty high.”

What don’t you agree with? What have I said that you actually disagree with (without inventing something).

Your quote here is from a drip several dozen posts in, not the OP on which we are voting. Your OP does not specify what you want us to say is U or NU.

friendlycat · 24/06/2025 14:22

You seem to be revelling now in the drama of it all. People think P is being ridiculous. That’s what everyone has said. Isn’t that the end of it ?

You asked for people’s thoughts. But now you are just being rude yourself.

I actually think you should all grow up frankly.

Tornad · 24/06/2025 14:19

friendlycat · 24/06/2025 14:16

Totally agree.
It’s quite astonishing to read that people behave like this.

As I’ve asked to several people making this comment (and not one has been able to answer). What has anyone other than P done to deserve this level of nasty, accusatory rudeness? If you were W, would you genuinely think you’d behaved immaturely here?!

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