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To wonder why people fuck about so much?

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comeandhaveteawithme · 23/06/2025 14:40

My local skip is a very busy place. There is often a huge queue of cars and once you are in the queue, you absolutely cannot leave, there is no way of driving out of it or turning around due to the way it's structured. You're going through the skip, and that's that.

Today, I was in the queue of doom and a worker walked along the line of cars and told everyone that they just needed to use the crusher before they could let anyone through and to do that, they needed to wait until the cars already parked up and using the skips, had all left, then they could use the crusher and start letting people in again. It was my lunchbreak so I was in a bit of a rush, but nothing I could do.

But watching the people already using the skip was so irritating. They knew there was a line of approximately 20-30 cars waiting, they knew no one else could enter until every car had gone, but they all sauntered back and forth with their stuff from their boots, they stopped and chatted to one another, one guy had a quick cigarette before getting in his car, another sat in the drivers seat and did something on his phone before slowly putting on his seatbelt and leaving...

I just cannot understand people who are so incredibly slow and insist on doing unnecessary things in busy places where people are clearly waiting to use the thing they are using.

The other day, a waitress bringing our food to out table stopped mid-way and chatted to a customer she knew, while holding our plates of food, letting them get cold - why? talk on the way back if you must!

And the amount of people I see letting their toddlers use their debit cards to pay while smiling indulgently as the kids drops the card or taps it wrong with a queue of people waiting, or who stand at the till transferring money, or ask the bus driver an endless series of questions with a whole busload of people waiting, plus the 50 cars behind the bus....

If you are one of these people who fuck about, why? and are you also irritated by the fucking about or am I just far too angry?

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:55

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:54

You berated her for criticising online a stranger who prevented other mums from getting the bus, by changing a nappy at the exit. That was odd.

This was an anonymised anecdote from over a decade ago. I doubt the mum would care anyway. She didn’t seem to care then and doubled down on her behaviour. I know you would have heroically offered to help change the nappy but most of those mums would have been irritated, and that’s fair enough.

That's the post I quoted but I also mentioned her other posts and gave a general view. It seems you've picked up on what OP said but not really taken in what I said.

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:54

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:48

I am "berating" OP for saying people who do not do things her way should go live where there's no other people.

What that says is that if you don't conform to her idea of life, she believes you don't deserve to exist where she is. And that is not nice.

You berated her for criticising online a stranger who prevented other mums from getting the bus, by changing a nappy at the exit. That was odd.

This was an anonymised anecdote from over a decade ago. I doubt the mum would care anyway. She didn’t seem to care then and doubled down on her behaviour. I know you would have heroically offered to help change the nappy but most of those mums would have been irritated, and that’s fair enough.

LadyDanburysHat · 25/06/2025 11:50

Oh this thread is all of the things that piss me off. Our local tip is also bad, everyone seems to carry one tiny item at a time sauntering slowly while the queue builds.

And my second really annoying one is queueing for ages at Costco for fuel, and the people who when they get a pump and get out of their car, proceed to look for their wallet, with their cards in to pay. You have been waiting for 10 mins, could you not have got them ready before now?

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 11:49

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:45

There are many people who are just selfish. I am always thinking about others. Whether that was the guests on my wedding day, my colleagues at work, or strangers I meet day to day in life. Because that’s decent behaviour.

I kind of envy those who don’t care, and who do what they want, when they want just to suit them! How liberating.

Exactly. Thank you. And thank you for sticking up for me.

I am no saint, but I am a good person and I always think of others. I honestly think if you want to live in a densely populated area, with all of it's conveniences, then it's your duty to think of others. Otherwise go and live in the country with nothing but your veg patch and your chickens around for miles where you don't have to think of any one. Sounds heavenly and I hope to one day do that when I retire. But right now, I live with other people so I think of other people and I hope for the same courtesy in return.

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:48

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:47

I am fine with debate and challenging. It’s you who seems to struggle.

You are berating the OP for sharing her feelings about complete strangers online! That shows little understanding of how an online forum works. The OP is not the one virtue-signalling on the internet.

I am "berating" OP for saying people who do not do things her way should go live where there's no other people.

What that says is that if you don't conform to her idea of life, she believes you don't deserve to exist where she is. And that is not nice.

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:47

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:44

OP started a thread bashing people and I gave an alternative view. She challenged that, I challenged back. That's what a forum is, right? To have a debate and give your views? To show other perspectives and possibly help people understand their questions better?

Or is it only kind to agree with people entirely or to not share conflicting opinions?

I am fine with debate and challenging. It’s you who seems to struggle.

You are berating the OP for sharing her feelings about complete strangers online! That shows little understanding of how an online forum works. The OP is not the one virtue-signalling on the internet.

Nodlikeyouwerelistening · 25/06/2025 11:45

I mean, these things do sound annoying but you also sound excessively angry about it all. If people not going as fast as you bothers you as much as it seems to then maybe your life is too over-scheduled.
I definitely think YABU about those dealing with toddlers going through the “I can do it myself stage”. It’s a normal and healthy stage of toddler development and I assure you the parents are far more annoyed about the pace than you are (that’s their life 24/7). As to you always being an upstanding, non-slow member of society you say that as the person you are today with the social circle you have.
I’ve seen it with my own parents as they’ve got older they have just become slower and more oblivious to things. They are retired and can go for days without seeing anyone, so yes, they will stop and have a chat with just about anyone. Yes- it drives me absolutely bonkers, but at the same time I get it and it’s in no way them being selfish or inconsiderate.
You just seem to tarnish everyone who doesn’t think or live life to your pace as inconsiderate, but I think that’s unfair.
Being late for work, getting stuck in traffic, having to wait in long queues behind slow people are all irksome things but they don’t warrant that level of rage. Does anyone actually die because had to queue longer than you expected. You need to learn to chill a bit and accept situations don’t always pan out the way you plan rather making yourself unnecessarily stressed and angry for such non-issues.

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:45

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 11:40

For the zillionth time, it's not just causing me stress!!

It's not just me and no one else, it's all the other people in the queue and everyone else on this thread and in the world that have also been stressed out by selfish behaviour.

This is not a unique thing that only I am annoyed about otherwise this thread would not be 15 pages long!!

There are many people who are just selfish. I am always thinking about others. Whether that was the guests on my wedding day, my colleagues at work, or strangers I meet day to day in life. Because that’s decent behaviour.

I kind of envy those who don’t care, and who do what they want, when they want just to suit them! How liberating.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:44

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:41

For all this saintly tolerance, you don’t seem to be thinking that the OP might be stressed or going through something right now (she may or may not be). You are not being kind to the OP or trying to see her point of view at all.

You apparently give others the benefit of the doubt all the time, without knowing their circumstances. So why not be more understanding of the OP on this thread right now, instead of just challenging her. Or are your benevolence and tolerance just theoretical?

OP started a thread bashing people and I gave an alternative view. She challenged that, I challenged back. That's what a forum is, right? To have a debate and give your views? To show other perspectives and possibly help people understand their questions better?

Or is it only kind to agree with people entirely or to not share conflicting opinions?

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:41

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:36

I'm saying that's what I try to do, yes. I understand that not everyone inconveniencing me is just being a selfish git and probably hasn't even realised that's what they're doing.

I also can't see the point in being so frustrated by other people's actions that I am so stressed I think everyone who hasn't behaved how I would want them to should leave society. That's just causing me stress, no one else, so what's the point?

For all this saintly tolerance, you don’t seem to be thinking that the OP might be stressed or going through something right now (she may or may not be). You are not being kind to the OP or trying to see her point of view at all.

You apparently give others the benefit of the doubt all the time, without knowing their circumstances. So why not be more understanding of the OP on this thread right now, instead of just challenging her. Or are your benevolence and tolerance just theoretical?

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 11:40

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:36

I'm saying that's what I try to do, yes. I understand that not everyone inconveniencing me is just being a selfish git and probably hasn't even realised that's what they're doing.

I also can't see the point in being so frustrated by other people's actions that I am so stressed I think everyone who hasn't behaved how I would want them to should leave society. That's just causing me stress, no one else, so what's the point?

For the zillionth time, it's not just causing me stress!!

It's not just me and no one else, it's all the other people in the queue and everyone else on this thread and in the world that have also been stressed out by selfish behaviour.

This is not a unique thing that only I am annoyed about otherwise this thread would not be 15 pages long!!

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nadine90 · 25/06/2025 11:40

Ooh I’ve a family member who faffs at every opportunity. It’s painful, and often embarrassing. Getting in the car is a 20 minute operation. Buying a cup of tea turns into “what teas do you have? Hmm. Do you have this type of milk? What’s in this flapjack? I used to like that cake you did, will you be getting it again? Oh actually, can I have x hot drink as well? Oh and a bottle of water. Hmm, I think that’s it. Oh no wait, I’ve just spotted this cookie, what’s in that? What’s that flyer you have up? Can we talk about that for 5 mins? What time do you close? You used to close at 4pm. Are you open on Tuesdays? Because I’m thinking of coming here with my sister then. What about Wednesdays?” Meanwhile the queue has tripled in size and the server looks like they want to throw something at us!!

Tigergirl80 · 25/06/2025 11:38

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/06/2025 21:05

Your airport doesn’t have connecting flights? That’s unusual. Every airport I’ve ever been in has a mix of people arriving, departing, and connecting.

We all know how (at those airports that do connections) never have delays on the arrivals. They never have people who through no fault of their own are sprinting through the terminals trying to get to their gate.

I assume they do I’ve never had to fly long haul though. If we did I would allow extra time for any delays.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:36

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:34

I think it’s you saying that nothing anyone else does, ever bothers you. If someone inconveniences you, you will #bekind, just think they are having a tough day and offer to help them, whether that’s helping change a nappy or waiting your turn whilst they have a teaching moment with their child, even if you are in a rush etc. Have I got that right?

I'm saying that's what I try to do, yes. I understand that not everyone inconveniencing me is just being a selfish git and probably hasn't even realised that's what they're doing.

I also can't see the point in being so frustrated by other people's actions that I am so stressed I think everyone who hasn't behaved how I would want them to should leave society. That's just causing me stress, no one else, so what's the point?

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:34

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:29

So you've never gotten flustered or upset? Good for you, you're amazing.

That's the answers you want, right?

And the apology is where you've realised you've made a mistake. What about the times you haven't? You've just been that inconsiderate arse to everyone around you that you like to complain about.

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I think it’s you saying that nothing anyone else does, ever bothers you. If someone inconveniences you, you will #bekind, just think they are having a tough day and offer to help them, whether that’s helping change a nappy or waiting your turn whilst they have a teaching moment with their child, even if you are in a rush etc. Have I got that right?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:29

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 11:24

It's not always selfish to let your child pay. It's also not because it's "cute". It keeps them engaged in what you're doing, not bored being at the shops and stops tantrums or whining or anything else that other people will also complain about.
It is selfish when there's a queue of people. It's stressful to the cashier to have a long queue to get through and it's inconsiderate to all the people waiting. That person is thinking only about their own needs and they are not teaching their child to be considerate to others either.

Spotting a friend unexpectedly and stopping for a minute is human not selfish. It's unthinking, it's not selfish.
You can take the plates to your customers and then say hello to the friend on the way back. It's selfish because you are only thinking of what you want, not what the three people you are serving want or the fact that you are standing there letting the food they paid for get cold.

Changing a baby where you thought was out of the way is not selfish. It turning out to be in the way is then likely to make you flustered. Not selfish, just a wrong decision at a moment you were probably already a bit flustered.
As I said when I originally told this sorry, if I had made that mistake I would have apologised, tried to move, gone as quickly as I can. If she'd done that I would have been more than sympathetic. She got arsey and then slowed down on purpose. She thought we had an audacity to make her move when she was the one causing the blockage. Arrogant and selfish and strongly indicative that she is a person who doesn't GAF how much she inconveniences other people.

You can only see what you think, and not that there could be so many other reasons that people behave like they have. But yes, I'm the one that's bloody minded. Not you.
No, because the majority of the thread agree with me. People can see that some people are simply selfish and inconsiderate.

I can guarantee you that you yourself will have done something that if it was someone else, you'd have found it inconvenient or inconsiderate. Stopped in the street because the baby in the pram said or did something. Realised you've stepped in dog poo and had to slow down or hop to get out of the way. Held up a queue because you zoned out for a second. Everyone does. And yet here you are telling people they should live elsewhere if they behave like this.
If I ever do, I apologise and make amends where I can. I think "oh shit, I've messed up" and I move out of the way. For example I once pushed in a long queue during covid in homebase, when everyone had to queue far part and back from the till. I misunderstood where the queue started and didn't stand where I was supposed to. I apologised to the entire queue and did the walk of shame to the back. Shit happens. But I've never just stood there having a cigarette or a chat knowing full well people are waiting. I've never snapped at someone and made things worse for them because I made a mistake. Not once. Because I'm not a selfish person.

So you've never gotten flustered or upset? Good for you, you're amazing.

That's the answers you want, right?

And the apology is where you've realised you've made a mistake. What about the times you haven't? You've just been that inconsiderate arse to everyone around you that you like to complain about.

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 11:27

TulipTiptoer · 25/06/2025 11:19

I can't believe anyone would say it's OK to change a baby in a doorway where other mums and babies are trying to get through!
I always through interacting with my fellow human being try not to get in the way or hold up others. It's common courtesy.

Apparently, you are the one being selfish. You should be considerate of the fact that some people thinking holding others up is fine! They just think differently!

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comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 11:24

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:05

It's not always selfish to let your child pay. It's also not because it's "cute". It keeps them engaged in what you're doing, not bored being at the shops and stops tantrums or whining or anything else that other people will also complain about.

Spotting a friend unexpectedly and stopping for a minute is human not selfish. It's unthinking, it's not selfish.

Changing a baby where you thought was out of the way is not selfish. It turning out to be in the way is then likely to make you flustered. Not selfish, just a wrong decision at a moment you were probably already a bit flustered.

You can only see what you think, and not that there could be so many other reasons that people behave like they have. But yes, I'm the one that's bloody minded. Not you.

I can guarantee you that you yourself will have done something that if it was someone else, you'd have found it inconvenient or inconsiderate. Stopped in the street because the baby in the pram said or did something. Realised you've stepped in dog poo and had to slow down or hop to get out of the way. Held up a queue because you zoned out for a second. Everyone does. And yet here you are telling people they should live elsewhere if they behave like this.

It's not always selfish to let your child pay. It's also not because it's "cute". It keeps them engaged in what you're doing, not bored being at the shops and stops tantrums or whining or anything else that other people will also complain about.
It is selfish when there's a queue of people. It's stressful to the cashier to have a long queue to get through and it's inconsiderate to all the people waiting. That person is thinking only about their own needs and they are not teaching their child to be considerate to others either.

Spotting a friend unexpectedly and stopping for a minute is human not selfish. It's unthinking, it's not selfish.
You can take the plates to your customers and then say hello to the friend on the way back. It's selfish because you are only thinking of what you want, not what the three people you are serving want or the fact that you are standing there letting the food they paid for get cold.

Changing a baby where you thought was out of the way is not selfish. It turning out to be in the way is then likely to make you flustered. Not selfish, just a wrong decision at a moment you were probably already a bit flustered.
As I said when I originally told this sorry, if I had made that mistake I would have apologised, tried to move, gone as quickly as I can. If she'd done that I would have been more than sympathetic. She got arsey and then slowed down on purpose. She thought we had an audacity to make her move when she was the one causing the blockage. Arrogant and selfish and strongly indicative that she is a person who doesn't GAF how much she inconveniences other people.

You can only see what you think, and not that there could be so many other reasons that people behave like they have. But yes, I'm the one that's bloody minded. Not you.
No, because the majority of the thread agree with me. People can see that some people are simply selfish and inconsiderate.

I can guarantee you that you yourself will have done something that if it was someone else, you'd have found it inconvenient or inconsiderate. Stopped in the street because the baby in the pram said or did something. Realised you've stepped in dog poo and had to slow down or hop to get out of the way. Held up a queue because you zoned out for a second. Everyone does. And yet here you are telling people they should live elsewhere if they behave like this.
If I ever do, I apologise and make amends where I can. I think "oh shit, I've messed up" and I move out of the way. For example I once pushed in a long queue during covid in homebase, when everyone had to queue far part and back from the till. I misunderstood where the queue started and didn't stand where I was supposed to. I apologised to the entire queue and did the walk of shame to the back. Shit happens. But I've never just stood there having a cigarette or a chat knowing full well people are waiting. I've never snapped at someone and made things worse for them because I made a mistake. Not once. Because I'm not a selfish person.

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TulipTiptoer · 25/06/2025 11:19

I can't believe anyone would say it's OK to change a baby in a doorway where other mums and babies are trying to get through!
I always through interacting with my fellow human being try not to get in the way or hold up others. It's common courtesy.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 25/06/2025 11:18

I have holidayed alone for this reason.

I leave the accommodation in 5m flat at the exact time I want to.

Somehow if it's me and my toddler, that goes up to 15m flat.

With my husband and toddler... Should be quicker, right? Noooooo, he doesn't put his keys/phone somewhere sensible. Oh maaaaaaaybe we need this pointless item, where's my hat, maybe one more look trip...

Maddening.

FlorbelaEspanca · 25/06/2025 11:16

PocketSand · 23/06/2025 15:01

I have the opposite complaint re local recycling centre. A year ago you could just rock up. Well used but never over busy as in a rural area. Now we have to book online. Reduced use by about 75%. No doubt it will be closed due to underuse in the near future.

My local recycling centre now bans pedestrians. I don't drive, so what am I to do?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 11:05

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 10:58

Oh stop it, you're just being silly now.

I am talking about people who show blatant disregard for others. Standing by your car having a cigarette while there is a line of 20-30 cars waiting is inconsiderate. Letting your child faff around with a card and holding everyone up because you think it's cute is inconsiderate. Stopping and chatting to a friend while you hold plates of food you are supposed to be delivering and letting them go cold because you want a chat is inconsiderate. Changing a nappy in front of a door several people want to get through is inconsiderate.

Those people are selfish. They are the ones thinking about themselves and what they want, only. I am thinking of not just myself but all of the other people behind me and in front of me also waiting and of society as a whole moving as efficiently as the people in at our able to move so that we can all benefit from what that society offers. That's why I do not hold people up unnecessarily.

And if those people can not think of others and instead want to inconvenience others then they don't deserve to live with others. They don't deserve to live somewhere with lots of facilities used and run by other people if they can not work with other people and instead want to work against them for their own selfish gain.

So no, it's not about "me". I'm not the one being selfish and I'm done explaining this to you. I'm not sure if you're just being bloody minded or you don't get it, either way, I can't explain it again.

It's not always selfish to let your child pay. It's also not because it's "cute". It keeps them engaged in what you're doing, not bored being at the shops and stops tantrums or whining or anything else that other people will also complain about.

Spotting a friend unexpectedly and stopping for a minute is human not selfish. It's unthinking, it's not selfish.

Changing a baby where you thought was out of the way is not selfish. It turning out to be in the way is then likely to make you flustered. Not selfish, just a wrong decision at a moment you were probably already a bit flustered.

You can only see what you think, and not that there could be so many other reasons that people behave like they have. But yes, I'm the one that's bloody minded. Not you.

I can guarantee you that you yourself will have done something that if it was someone else, you'd have found it inconvenient or inconsiderate. Stopped in the street because the baby in the pram said or did something. Realised you've stepped in dog poo and had to slow down or hop to get out of the way. Held up a queue because you zoned out for a second. Everyone does. And yet here you are telling people they should live elsewhere if they behave like this.

BlockedItOut · 25/06/2025 11:00

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 10:48

So because you can't accept that people might think differently to you, or be having a bad day and therefore their awareness of others has gone a bit, or quite simply that their brain works differently to yours, they should live where there's no other people?

Not you, who can't accept people whose minds work differently just living their life? Others, because it annoys you and isn't to your liking?

There's a lot of "you" in this, for someone who wants others to show consideration to other people.

What if the OP was having a bad day when she posted this? Does she get a pass?

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 10:58

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 10:48

So because you can't accept that people might think differently to you, or be having a bad day and therefore their awareness of others has gone a bit, or quite simply that their brain works differently to yours, they should live where there's no other people?

Not you, who can't accept people whose minds work differently just living their life? Others, because it annoys you and isn't to your liking?

There's a lot of "you" in this, for someone who wants others to show consideration to other people.

Oh stop it, you're just being silly now.

I am talking about people who show blatant disregard for others. Standing by your car having a cigarette while there is a line of 20-30 cars waiting is inconsiderate. Letting your child faff around with a card and holding everyone up because you think it's cute is inconsiderate. Stopping and chatting to a friend while you hold plates of food you are supposed to be delivering and letting them go cold because you want a chat is inconsiderate. Changing a nappy in front of a door several people want to get through is inconsiderate.

Those people are selfish. They are the ones thinking about themselves and what they want, only. I am thinking of not just myself but all of the other people behind me and in front of me also waiting and of society as a whole moving as efficiently as the people in at our able to move so that we can all benefit from what that society offers. That's why I do not hold people up unnecessarily.

And if those people can not think of others and instead want to inconvenience others then they don't deserve to live with others. They don't deserve to live somewhere with lots of facilities used and run by other people if they can not work with other people and instead want to work against them for their own selfish gain.

So no, it's not about "me". I'm not the one being selfish and I'm done explaining this to you. I'm not sure if you're just being bloody minded or you don't get it, either way, I can't explain it again.

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 25/06/2025 10:48

comeandhaveteawithme · 25/06/2025 10:26

Yes, they should. Not if they're disabled, not if they're elderly, not for any of the perfectly reasonable reasons someone might be slower that me. Not once have I said that. In fact, I would be the first person to stick up for these people and show them consideration. I was stuck behind an old lady with a zimmer frame in home bargains the other day while in a rush to buy pull-ups so I could drop off my daughter for her sleepover and get to work. She turned and apologised for being so slow. Did I shout at her? did I tell her to go and live on her own in the sticks? did I kick her up the bum? No, I kept a respectable distance, I kept an eye in case she needed help, and I said "don't worry love, take as long as you need". Basic manners we should expect from everyone.

All I have said, in simple terms, is that if you can't show consideration to other people and only want to think of yourself, then don't live with other people.

And I stand by that.

So because you can't accept that people might think differently to you, or be having a bad day and therefore their awareness of others has gone a bit, or quite simply that their brain works differently to yours, they should live where there's no other people?

Not you, who can't accept people whose minds work differently just living their life? Others, because it annoys you and isn't to your liking?

There's a lot of "you" in this, for someone who wants others to show consideration to other people.