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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 23/06/2025 10:32

New report lists 9 areas of England where the majority of children will be overweight or obese by 2035.

It’s got me thinking about what causes childhood obesity. I have an 8 year-old who doesn’t like football, can’t ride a bike, never took to his scooter. spends a lot of time on a screen at home. Has does run about at school playtime and PE lessons and he likes climbing so goes to a class once a week for an hour.

He has an incredibly sweet tooth. I don’t allow unlimited desserts/sweets but I know for a fact we are much more liberal than many of his friends’ parents. The only things we are strict on are no fizzy drinks, Haribo type sweets maybe once a week, and no sugary cereal.

But he has something chocolate after every dinner and also when he gets in from school. Breakfast is a toasted fruit tea cake dripping in butter. He steals honey and Nutella from the cupboard when he thinks we aren’t looking.

We drive to school. We don’t go on family walks and our favourite joint family activity is watching Saturday night TV together. Our garden only has a small patch of lawn 2mx 4m and he has no siblings so doesn’t naturally run about playing at home.

He eats limited vegetables and his favourite foods are nuggets and pizza. He eats pasta with tomato sauce and cheese every single day at school lunch, won’t touch anything else. He has never eaten large portions though. We have no issue with McDonalds/fast food in general but he’s not a huge fan, maybe eat it once a month. Subway usually.

He is very slim and his teeth have no decay (was last at dentist 2 weeks ago).

My husband and I are both overweight BMI, on the brink of obese, but we were both naturally slim as kids too. I imagine it will catch up with our son when he is an adult, or maybe even sooner. (We all need to make changes and will work on that).

What we most definitely are is financially and socially privileged.

My question is this - these areas where obesity is running rampant are low-income and socially deprived. So what are the other factors caused by social/economic deprivation that mean these kids are obese but mine is not? Or are we literally just a very lucky exception?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/23/majority-children-overweight-obese-nine-areas-england-by-2035-study?CMP=ShareiOSAppOther

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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 21:01

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 20:20

And who feeds these obese children? It all comes down to the parents. A child who is 8 or younger doesn’t really have the skills to make a dinner for themselves but an adult does. Be interesting to know what weight class these parents of obese children are.

Exactly.

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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:59

ceaseanddesisttobailiffs · 24/06/2025 20:28

Neither is your son - and that’s the point PPs are making based on the information you have given.

What point is that?

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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:59

Jessica167353 · 24/06/2025 20:44

Your post made me shutter. Why would you post all that and not be highly concerned for his health and future. I can't see beyond that to work out what the point of your post is.

Maybe have a read of all my posts. It’s a question about society and culture.

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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:58

ceaseanddesisttobailiffs · 24/06/2025 20:55

This and the fact that OP goes on to say that her son doesn’t eat pizza and nuggets everyday and he only has one biscuit after school and he does have fruit, veg and wholemeal bread at his private school and he does have structured PE lessons at school.

But it still remains unclear why he is not obese when compared with children who east pizza and nuggets everyday, who have a whole packet of biscuits, do not have much fruit or veg and barely do any PE or exercise due to the funding difficulties at their state school.

I am not sure that anyone has presented any evidence that low income children do eat pizza and nuggets every day. I mean, I am assuming that is a possibility, but is it fact or conjecture?

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ceaseanddesisttobailiffs · 24/06/2025 20:55

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 20:51

I think the point of the post is to say kids from middle class or rich families are not obese despite being fed a shit diet and doing no exercise. I don’t really get the ops point. Surely someone who is educated should know better than to feed their kid a diet of chicken nuggets and pizza, even if it is the posh brand. And they say people in poverty aren’t educated around food 😂

This and the fact that OP goes on to say that her son doesn’t eat pizza and nuggets everyday and he only has one biscuit after school and he does have fruit, veg and wholemeal bread at his private school and he does have structured PE lessons at school.

But it still remains unclear why he is not obese when compared with children who east pizza and nuggets everyday, who have a whole packet of biscuits, do not have much fruit or veg and barely do any PE or exercise due to the funding difficulties at their state school.

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 20:51

Jessica167353 · 24/06/2025 20:44

Your post made me shutter. Why would you post all that and not be highly concerned for his health and future. I can't see beyond that to work out what the point of your post is.

I think the point of the post is to say kids from middle class or rich families are not obese despite being fed a shit diet and doing no exercise. I don’t really get the ops point. Surely someone who is educated should know better than to feed their kid a diet of chicken nuggets and pizza, even if it is the posh brand. And they say people in poverty aren’t educated around food 😂

Jessica167353 · 24/06/2025 20:44

Your post made me shutter. Why would you post all that and not be highly concerned for his health and future. I can't see beyond that to work out what the point of your post is.

Dominoeffecter · 24/06/2025 20:44

Slim doesn’t equal healthy.

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 20:41

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:41

The communities in the article.

It doesn’t say anything in the articles about race or ethnicity. So by these communities you mean poor people?

ceaseanddesisttobailiffs · 24/06/2025 20:28

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:19

Neither of us was overweight as a child.

Neither is your son - and that’s the point PPs are making based on the information you have given.

ceaseanddesisttobailiffs · 24/06/2025 20:27

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:41

The communities in the article.

Different ethnicities will have genetics that predispose them to physical and metabolic attributes - muscle mass, glucose intolerance, salt retention. Just look at the athletics, for example - the 100m sprint versus the long distance runners. Their muscle types, body builds - black American/Caribbeans versus black East Africans and Europeans.

Those from the Asian subcontinent have to have a BMI range that is different (stricter) than Caucasians due to their risk for type 2 diabetes. They have a tendency to put weight around the abdomen (bad!) but their diets are very very low UPF, certainly for the generation who emigrated here who cook fresh food daily.

However, your OP wasn’t about these people in particular but why those children growing up in lower socioeconomic homes/communities are more likely to obese. Same reason that their educational outcomes are likely to less than their counterparts at a higher socioeconomic level.
Money and education doesn’t help you process UPFs in a better way. Your son eats less UPF than children from poorer backgrounds, has fruit and veg at private school and has structured PE lessons at private school so is not going to become obese as quickly.

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 20:20

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:18

But the study is about childhood obesity, as is this thread. Adult obesity has a completely different dataset and is a whole other topic. I mentioned my own weight and that of my husband in the context of the models to which my son is exposed.

And who feeds these obese children? It all comes down to the parents. A child who is 8 or younger doesn’t really have the skills to make a dinner for themselves but an adult does. Be interesting to know what weight class these parents of obese children are.

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:19

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:57

But you and your husband are also a statistic, if you are both overweight and on the brink of obesity (your words) despite being educated, having good jobs and are middle class?

Neither of us was overweight as a child.

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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 20:18

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:57

But you and your husband are also a statistic, if you are both overweight and on the brink of obesity (your words) despite being educated, having good jobs and are middle class?

But the study is about childhood obesity, as is this thread. Adult obesity has a completely different dataset and is a whole other topic. I mentioned my own weight and that of my husband in the context of the models to which my son is exposed.

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soupyspoon · 24/06/2025 20:08

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:41

And the very next line said “we all need to make changes and will work on that”. Don’t you see- it’s the people who don’t realise or care about this who are the statistic. And not only that, we are talking about obese children younger than my son, so people who have already ignored warning signs.

Hopefully though you'll be able to lose the weight, its fairly unlikely that you will. Statistically I mean. Most people who are overweight/obese stay that way unfortunately. Unless they have medical help of course.

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:57

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:41

And the very next line said “we all need to make changes and will work on that”. Don’t you see- it’s the people who don’t realise or care about this who are the statistic. And not only that, we are talking about obese children younger than my son, so people who have already ignored warning signs.

But you and your husband are also a statistic, if you are both overweight and on the brink of obesity (your words) despite being educated, having good jobs and are middle class?

CrispieCake · 24/06/2025 19:50

My older child has a pretty poor diet due to fussy eating. I'm probably also a bit too liberal on the treats.

But I'd have to feed him a huge amount of treats to make up for the fact his lunch is invariably half a cheese sandwich and a few carrot sticks (I pack a full lunchbox everyday, sticking to the school's healthy eating guidelines, but most of it comes back uneaten). And for dinner tonight, he had half a fishcake and a few pieces of broccoli. In between, he's had some banana, half a croissant, an ice lolly and a kiddie chocolate bar. He's also done PE at school, been to a sports club and been to the playground. The diet isn't great, I know, but it's not enough to make an active child overweight. My younger one is much more interested in food, and I think may be more difficult when it comes to maintaining a healthy weight.

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:41

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:39

Who do you mean when you say “certain communities” Op @Unopenedpackofmenssocks

The communities in the article.

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Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:41

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:30

He may not be fat now but it doesn’t mean is he healthy. You said yourself in a few years he probably won’t be slim anymore due to lack of exercise and the unhealthy diet

And the very next line said “we all need to make changes and will work on that”. Don’t you see- it’s the people who don’t realise or care about this who are the statistic. And not only that, we are talking about obese children younger than my son, so people who have already ignored warning signs.

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waterrat · 24/06/2025 19:39

A child who spends a lot of time on screens - plus a sedentary day at school - is not moving their body enough. If he isn't into football - so what, organise play dates and he can run about the park with his friends.

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:39

Who do you mean when you say “certain communities” Op @Unopenedpackofmenssocks

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:35

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:02

Also intrigued why you think working long hours is the preserve of low income people. It’s also quite a big thing in City jobs like mine.

Working long hours is common in many jobs not just low income families or middle class jobs. My point is it’s easier working long jobs, having a car and two parents on a decent income that someone who is a single parent, can’t afford a car or a lower income. You have your husband to help you, single parents don’t have another person to help them do they?

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:32

ThejoyofNC · 24/06/2025 19:02

Are you just waiting for someone to tell you your kid isn't fat because they're wealthy? Because that's ridiculous.

You kid isn't fat yet. But you are putting them on the track for a lifetime of misery and struggles with their weight.

Yup not fat “yet”

ThisSillyFox · 24/06/2025 19:30

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:00

But my child is not fat, so how am I getting it wrong?

He may not be fat now but it doesn’t mean is he healthy. You said yourself in a few years he probably won’t be slim anymore due to lack of exercise and the unhealthy diet

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 24/06/2025 19:12

antipodeansun · 24/06/2025 19:02

It is interesting. I live in New Zealand and the difference in the frequency of obesity between European and Asian vs Polynesian children is staggering. The latter are far more likely to be obese. It is not movement- they're equally active, actually my son's Polynesian friends are always on their bikes, playing rugby, running around (New Zealand schools also provide a lot more opportunity to be active than schools in Europe). It is definitely food - but there's also some sort of genetic predisposition too.
My son eats however much he wants and pretty much whatever he wants (always homemade meals, sometimes eating out in restaurants, no fast food, but always some dessert such as some icecream) and is a very skinny child. Yes he moves a lot, is forever kicking the ball, walking everywhere but so do others and he is still among the skinniest. He loves food and different flavours, and loves trying new things, but naturally does not have a huge appetite and prefers say cheese or meat or fruit to carbs.

I saw a really interesting documentary a couple of years ago about obesity in American Samoa. It did show that people on lower incomes tended to eat very fatty meat, for both cost and cultural reasons.

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