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To think Palestine Action isn't a terrorist group?

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NotDarkGothicMama · 23/06/2025 07:28

I don't agree with what they've done (breaking into military bases to vandalise planes), but I don't understand why they're being proscribed. Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil have caused far more damage to property and general annoyance.

Arrest and prosecute the people who commit criminal acts, absolutely, but this is setting the bar for branding protestors "terrorists" far too low.

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ChestnutSquash · 24/06/2025 14:54

I wish these people would go and do something useful. One of my DC spent months building shelters and toilet facilities in a Syrian refugee camp. Is currently setting up a project to conserve water and reduce the use of chemicals on crops and writing the software programme to gather data. There are lots of things people can do that don't involve destruction and disruption.

WokeyWokeyGetUpNow · 24/06/2025 14:13

babasaclover · 23/06/2025 18:30

The planes they caused £30 million worth of damage to were used to delivered aid to Gaza. So they literally are hurting innocent people and they caused terror so yeah terrorists.

the money to fix those planes will come out of the public purse. Unacceptable

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This is the problem. The idiots don't consider anything further than their current thought. Damaging aid planes is pretty dim witted.

Who do they think will pay for the damage? Overstretched taxpayers that's who.

TempestTost · 24/06/2025 02:27

Whatever it was, they were lucky they didn't end up shot.

Idiots.

SammyScrounge · 24/06/2025 01:46

Snowstorming · 23/06/2025 18:30

also we wouldn’t be “virtually on a war footing” if Israel was stopped from acting with impunity. The government is literally bombing an entire population and interfering with innocent civilians on a daily basis, yet that seems to be offensive if we bring it up?

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By the same token, if Hamas had been stopped in their tracks last October none of this mess would have occurred.

Let me remind you that invading another country and torturing, murdering and kidnapping masses of their citizens is an act of war. War isn't pretty and the Israelis didn't start it.
It's all getting out of hand now but that's another thing that war does.

Hoardasurass · 23/06/2025 23:13

HeisenbergMum · 23/06/2025 22:21

Of course they aren't a terrorist group. They haven't done anything to cause terror, which I believe is a fundamental requirement of a terrorist group. They haven't been violent or intimidated anyone. Neither have they threatened to be violent.

They have committed a crime but that's not the same.

I think that the police officer who was attacked with a mallet may disagree with you

jcyclops · 23/06/2025 23:10

If the government proscribe Palestine Action (PA), what are they going to do about Action for Palestine (AP). What about the Popular Front for Palestine (PFP) and the People's Front for Palestine (also PFP - "Splitters") and the People's Popular Front for Palestine (PPFP).

Absentmindedsmile · 23/06/2025 22:56

HeisenbergMum · 23/06/2025 22:21

Of course they aren't a terrorist group. They haven't done anything to cause terror, which I believe is a fundamental requirement of a terrorist group. They haven't been violent or intimidated anyone. Neither have they threatened to be violent.

They have committed a crime but that's not the same.

On another note - Do you think that Hamas have spent millions -billions - of dollars of aid received since well before Clinton left office , on building tunnels throughout The Gaza Strip? Rather than spending it on the Palestinian people and infrastructure it was meant for?

Your view?

Ddakji · 23/06/2025 22:50

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 22:24

Are you going to revise that opinion of them after learning that their members assaulted two police officers with sledge hammers?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro.amp

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Unlikely, don’t you think? Though the OP has changed her mind so perhaps I’m being unduly cynical.

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 22:24

HeisenbergMum · 23/06/2025 22:21

Of course they aren't a terrorist group. They haven't done anything to cause terror, which I believe is a fundamental requirement of a terrorist group. They haven't been violent or intimidated anyone. Neither have they threatened to be violent.

They have committed a crime but that's not the same.

Are you going to revise that opinion of them after learning that their members assaulted two police officers with sledge hammers?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro.amp

A screenshot of the police van seen on the Elbit Systems UK site. The van is a large white vehicle with small windows and a chevron pattern across the back. A figure wearing black with a white helmet can be seen in the lower right corner of the image h...

Police officer hit with sledgehammer near Bristol - BBC News

Police say officers seized sledgehammers, axes, whips and other homemade weapons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro.amp

HeisenbergMum · 23/06/2025 22:21

Of course they aren't a terrorist group. They haven't done anything to cause terror, which I believe is a fundamental requirement of a terrorist group. They haven't been violent or intimidated anyone. Neither have they threatened to be violent.

They have committed a crime but that's not the same.

cakeorwine · 23/06/2025 22:13

JeremiahBullfrog · 23/06/2025 18:21

The RAF doesn't have cargo planes so they can deliver sweeties to little children. The purpose of these planes is to support military objectives, which frequently include killing people: I'm not sure whether these planes themselves are armed or carrying bombs is really that important.

And that is why interfering with them is a very serious offence with very serious consequences.

Those signs outside military bases are not for show. They have meanings and consequences.

Potentially 14 years on jail

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-security-bill-factsheets/prohibited-places-national-security-bill-2022-factsheet

Prohibited places: National Security Bill 2022 factsheet

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-security-bill-factsheets/prohibited-places-national-security-bill-2022-factsheet

cakeorwine · 23/06/2025 22:01

NotDarkGothicMama · 23/06/2025 18:47

Thankyou for this link. This thread's been a really interesting read. I've read it all and Yvette Cooper's statement and changed my mind. I found these parts of her statement particularly eye-opening:

...The Sherif, in passing custodial sentences for the attackers’ violent crimes, spoke of the panic among staff who feared for their safety as pyrotechnics and smoke bombs were thrown in the area where they were evacuating...

...In late 2023, Palestine Action released “The Underground Manual”. The document encourages the creation of cells; provides practical guidance on how to carry out activity against private companies and government buildings on behalf of Palestine Action; and provides a link to a website which contains a map of specific targets across the UK...

I don't support Iran or Hamas or the Israeli government BTW. I do want to be able to engage in lawful protest if I want to, including acts civil disobedience, without being labelled a terrorist though.

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That's interesting that you've changed your mind.

I have been reading a book about how people change their minds - and it's a really interesting process - and one that has to come from the person themselves.

Being given facts doesn't change people's minds. But getting people to think about how strongly they support something and what reasons there could be for not supporting something fully, exploring doubts, does play a role

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/06/2025 21:48

Snowstorming · 23/06/2025 18:30

also we wouldn’t be “virtually on a war footing” if Israel was stopped from acting with impunity. The government is literally bombing an entire population and interfering with innocent civilians on a daily basis, yet that seems to be offensive if we bring it up?

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Have you heard of countries called Russia and Ukraine at all?

Purplebunnie · 23/06/2025 21:39

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 17:58

It’s property and money, not human lives, which the jets if launched would have destroyed .

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If the plane can't fly and Russia attacks tomorrow are you going to defend us?

9hdtvey54r · 23/06/2025 20:27

SidekickSylvia · 23/06/2025 07:37

I would think that those in the position to make the decision have more information than we do.

Or more self interest

Absentmindedsmile · 23/06/2025 20:19

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 20:08

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I read India Willoughby tweeting that she was 'Team Iran'.

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I read India Willougby said that India Willougby is a woman! You can’t trust a word India Willoughby says.

notimagain · 23/06/2025 20:08

@DustyTangerine

"It’s called Akrotiri"

True, though "Akrateri" is probably as close as many get after a few Kokinelis. 😉

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 20:08

SameDayNewName · 23/06/2025 20:07

Personally, I think if you don't recycle properly, pay your taxes, earn a good wage and keep to a perfect BMI, you're a terrorist. Because it inconveniences the state. Pretty sure that's the definition.

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I read India Willoughby tweeting that she was 'Team Iran'.

SameDayNewName · 23/06/2025 20:07

Personally, I think if you don't recycle properly, pay your taxes, earn a good wage and keep to a perfect BMI, you're a terrorist. Because it inconveniences the state. Pretty sure that's the definition.

DustyTangerine · 23/06/2025 20:01

ZanyLou · 23/06/2025 18:28

That airbase is used to supply Akrateri in Cyprus which is involved in spying missions over Gaza to target individuals. The damage was designed to stop that supply. We’re complicit in the genocide in Gaza. Palestinian Action are trying to prevent a more serious crime by damaging the weapon.

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It’s called Akrotiri. When you’re this ill informed and ignorant of basic facts why on earth should anyone be interested in your opinion?

User37482 · 23/06/2025 19:59

User37482 · 23/06/2025 19:51

I’m sure PAG will be really happy to find they’ve done Isis a solid.

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God I just had a thought, there probably are PAG who think that Isis are anti-colonialist and anti-imperialism and we should definitely be not bothering them.

RanyaJerodung · 23/06/2025 19:58

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 19:55

I wonder if anyone is surprised to find that there are no planes that fly from Brize Norton to bomb Gaza but there are planes that fly from Brize Norton to bring aid to Gaza.

Well, it doesn't fit a certain narrative, does it.

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 19:55

I wonder if anyone is surprised to find that there are no planes that fly from Brize Norton to bomb Gaza but there are planes that fly from Brize Norton to bring aid to Gaza.

ChestnutSquash · 23/06/2025 19:53

ssd · 23/06/2025 19:36

Well she would wouldn't she

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She isn't the only person saying that, to be fair.

User37482 · 23/06/2025 19:51

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2025 19:45

"According to the UK Defence Journal, defence sources said this was ‘inaccurate’ and that RAF Voyagers based at Brize Norton are primarily used to support Operation Shader, the UK’s ongoing mission against Daesh in Iraq and Syria.
They said the aircrafts were not used to support Israeli operations."

The planes that fly aid to Gaza from Brize Norton appear to be a different type. https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/uk-participates-in-largest-international-aid-drop-into-gaza1/

I’m sure PAG will be really happy to find they’ve done Isis a solid.

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