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Is this grumpiness, early dementia or abuse?

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GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 17:14

I have been with my male partner for 10 years. He’s 11 years older than me at 65. We started living together a couple of years ago and he retired last year. His dad had dementia starting in his 60s. These may be relevant facts - I don’t know.
We split up a few years ago for a while and got back together but I always felt like he had an anger towards me even when we got back together. Things aren’t terrible most of the time but my partner is generally grumpy and hyper sensitive to criticism. He’s got a personality of someone with adult adhd (am I looking for excuses - probably). I’ve therefore been careful not to criticise but yesterday he was painting the shed without a tarpaulin over the brand new porcelain garden tiles. Anyone else would probably scream - “cover the tiles up” but I knew he’d get angry if I said that so I simply went out and said “don’t forget the tarpaulin is round the side”. Well he flipped. In the garden. Threatened to ram the paint brush up my arse if I was going to criticise him. I wasn’t meek and mild in my response but that is the first time he’s ever threatened violence. He gets angry and annoyed and never apologises - I’m just too sensitive etc etc. Even when I said I want an apology he will say you’re always criticising me and you make me angry. But this was a line he crossed. Threatening me with violence and especially sexual violence is not grumpiness…

About 3 people over the years have actually said to me about how he speaks to me like a child at times and one mutual friend had a word with him about how it makes him feel uncomfortable. He was trying to criticise some words I was using - I was speaking in an accent but I’m not stupid. I’m far more educated than he is and now I realise he could actually be insecure about that as I’ve also recently been promoted whereas he has retired. His employer was concerned about his memory before he left - could it be dementia starting? Because half an hour later he will offer me a cup of tea like nothing has happened….
So am I being unreasonable in saying unless he apologizes and gets some help for his anger then I want him to leave?
He said he will move out as he’s fed up of me.
The house is in my name only. He’s contributed to a lot of developments in the house but I’d get a valuation of the property and give him half the value minus the outstanding mortgage (but it might not be as much as he put in). We were supposed to get married and he’d go on the mortgage so I think this is fair. Obviously I’ll get legal advice but I didn’t want to get the garden done - he insisted on most of the work getting done. I’ll give him half but no more.

please be gentle. I have always been somewhat too empathetic of others problems and let them treat me less than I deserve. Yeah his dad might have been awful to him but I don’t deserve to be spoken to disrespectfully. I daren’t tell my adult son as I’d be scared he would thump him - in fact I’m too ashamed to tell anyone.
But I’m glad I’ve told him he’s crossed a line - the grumpiness and criticism of me is one thing but threats of violence are not acceptable ever. He knows my dad was violent to me growing up.

thank you for being a safe space for me to share this.

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FortyElephants · 23/06/2025 03:56

You do NOT have to give him half the equity of the house just because you've lived with him a couple of years. Nor do you have to pay him back exactly the amount of money he contributed to the house. I appreciate that you want to pay him something and that's fine but do not clear yourself out to assuage your guilt. How much cash did he actually spend on improvements, what were they, how have they actually increased the value of the property? Forget the monthly payments he's made as they can be considered rent.

Noshadelamp · 23/06/2025 02:51

GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 21:14

He has paid towards bills and has invested a lot into renovations. But I intend to give him his fair share.

Has he paid rent? I would seek legal advice first and factor in rent owed.

Noshadelamp · 23/06/2025 02:45

could it be dementia starting? Because half an hour later he will offer me a cup of tea like nothing has happened…. @GrannyJJ

I can't say it's not dementia but I do recognise that pattern of abusing someone then acting as if nothing happened. It's a very common abuse tactic and it's not because they've "forgotten".

You can leave the relationship for any reason, I know you want to define what is happening but will that make it any better for you?

Pp can be grumpy without being abusive but your do sounds abusive.

It's a pattern of abuse over the last 10 years and it's escalating.

You deserve better, is this really how you imagined your retirement?

Springtimehere · 23/06/2025 02:08

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namechangedforvalidreasons · 23/06/2025 01:59

If you swither, ask yourself this - do you want to nurse this man through his final years? Say it is dementia. It would be hell. Look at what he’s like NOW. And if you get ill, how would he treat you? I don’t mean flu, and I hope you both stay well, but just because he’s older doesn’t mean he’ll go first. Looking after a very sick/dying person is, as many of us know and you might well too, stressful and tiring and dreadfully frustrating at times. Doesn’t sound like a person I’d want to be vulnerable around or depend upon. He has already displayed contempt for you. He’s already bullying you now. I don’t think you owe him £80k morally, you certainly don’t legally. it’s up to you but please don’t disadvantage yourself. He’d be your husband soon if it wasn’t for his shocking behaviour. He’s the one who’s abusing you and apparently it’s all justified to him. More than one person has said he speaks to you in an unacceptable manner.

Be careful how and when you break it to him though, he sounds like he might be the type to erupt in spite. Maybe not to the extent of hitting you but threats and maybe property damage.

Givenupshopping · 23/06/2025 01:45

OP, I think that what you said about his daughter keeping her distance probably tells you all you need to know, ie. it's likely he's always been grumpy, and hard to please, but because when you first posted. you weren't feeling very sure of yourself, you were trying to find a reason for it. The fact that you split up previously, also tends to indicate that this relationship hasn't been a good one for quite some time. So bearing that in mind, I certainly wouldn't be considering standing by him, if he has got dementia, as people who suffer from this awful disease, can become extremely violent as things progress, and it seems he already has a tendency to be that way, so while it may sound hard, it doesn't sound like he deserves you putting your own life on hold for someone who has clearly treated you with disrespect for a big part of the time you've been together. As a matter of interest, do you know why his previous relationship broke down?

As far as the money side of things is concerned, I think the fact that you feel that it is morally right to give him his money back, is very commendable, but not necessarily the wisest move with regard to your own future, particularly as you say that he has enough money from the sale of his previous property to start over. I would definitely get some legal, and possibly even financial advice, before you give him anything, because as previous posters have said, it does sound like he's lived with you for all that time without necessarily paying his fair share, or doing his fair share around the home, so please don't rush to make financial settlement offers until you know where you stand legally and personally.

I would also fill your son in on the fact that you are planning to end the relationship. You don't necessarily have to mention what has happened this weekend, unless you want to, but at least let him know what's going on, so that he can support you, and be there for you should you feel you need protection when the time comes.

VoltaireMittyDream · 23/06/2025 01:23

GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 21:38

I’m sorry you’re going through this.. the reality is he has maybe gotten worse but I think it’s character. He does it because I allow it - he wouldn’t threaten a friend as they’d tell him to do one. It’s bad enough he said it but to double down and say it’s because I made him angry. His anger is always my fault in his eyes and I usually write it off.
this is a huge wake up call for me. I try to understand people too much but this is his first and last threat of violence. There will be no more.

OP, he doesn't do it because you 'allow' it.
He does it because he's an abusive shit.
He wouldn't threaten his mates because they could probably kick his arse / because he doesn't feel entitled to their subservience.

Helpagirlyout · 23/06/2025 00:58

Before you give him any money, please calculate the fact he's been living in your property rent-free for X amount of time so he 'owes' you for that if you 'owe' him for home improvements. Which I don't think you do, by the way.

Kindly, please leave him. You don't have to live like this. X

Chintzcardboard · 23/06/2025 00:51

GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 17:48

you have no idea that typing words to a stranger is helping so much. I don’t want my relationship to fail. I want him to admit he needs help and to rebuild it but if he can’t or won’t then I will walk away. He has been getting so much work done on the house - spending money that I actually didn’t want done. I’m scared that he will want more than half as he’s too old to get a mortgage now. I will get the house valued but the work we had done was as our house and not a loan from him. He can whistle for 18 months for the money to buy him out. It’s my retirement fund but I will be working on partial retirement so I will get the same wage almost even though I will reduce my hours to 3 days a week.

When time is right you could respond to his behavior with:

“Grumpy, you don’t seem happy. I’ve been noticing for a while that you don’t seem happy. (Long pause wait for his response … just wait because he needs to start talking … yes or no )”

If he’s unhappy, ask what HE needs to change.

if he says he’s happy, you need to say his behavior is damaging to your relationship.

only HE can make himself happy.

Loudandclare · 23/06/2025 00:40

I haven't had the chance to read all of the responses but I've read all of your messages, OP. I couldn't not reply.

Please get away from this man. Having been in a similar relationship (different circumstances though), he will suck the life and spirit out of you, and become more abusive.

I understand what you're saying about wanting to buy him out but I would avoid as much as you can, as I doubt he would do the same.

We women are so shaped to please men - what do they want, what do they need, considering their feelings etc. Well all I can say is f*ck that. He is not considering YOU. No amount of apologies or therapy can make up for this. I bet if you were abusive to him, he would be off, and not considering if you had a health condition.

Please do be careful too. Men like this ramp up the abuse when they suspect or know that you are leaving. Grey rock him as much as possible, where you don't tell him anything about your plans etc, so that he knows nothing. Document as much as you can too.

FloofyKat · 23/06/2025 00:38

I’m another who thinks you would be better off without this unpleasant man in your life. And no way would I be giving him any money! Morally he doesn’t deserve it - he should have treated you better.

HeyWiggle · 23/06/2025 00:20

People will be pleased you’ve split, trust me.

HeyWiggle · 23/06/2025 00:18

The money towards bills you shouldn’t return to him as it’s the cost of living.

The 80k he put into the house I’d return so that you could cut contact completely. I wouldn’t bother getting house valued or giving him a percentage of market increase. Sod that.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 23/06/2025 00:10

GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 23:56

I did tell a friend we’d had an argument and that he’s getting even more grumpy. She was asking if he’s stressed etc. The thing is some folk think he’s absolutely charming - life and soul of the party. But at best he’s just getting more and more angry/grumpy/unkind.

When someone hears about an isolated incident which in their mind appears out of character they may give a crap response. It’s also typical for the victim to minimise the bad behaviour, because they still feel protective of the partner and the relationship, and can feel shame about their experiences. Had you said to that friend that yes he may have been stressed but it’s typical for him to speak to me very critically, to put me down, to make me feel bad about myself but only to do that when there is no one to witness it, do you think you’d have had a different response?

justasking111 · 23/06/2025 00:09

GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 23:56

I did tell a friend we’d had an argument and that he’s getting even more grumpy. She was asking if he’s stressed etc. The thing is some folk think he’s absolutely charming - life and soul of the party. But at best he’s just getting more and more angry/grumpy/unkind.

Life and soul of the party.

"Street angel, house devil". more like

stitchy · 23/06/2025 00:07

My DF has dementia and it manifested in the early stages as not being able to complete fairly simple processes - ie not being able to follow directions and exiting on a slip road, locating his keys from remembering where he put them, not being able to serve himself from platters on family style meals etc.
It didn't manifest as being a nasty bastard to specific people he wanted to keep in line

Iwillclasptheeagain · 23/06/2025 00:06

Don't pay him ffs, that's idiotic.

You have no idea if you will be able to keep working as long as you anticipate. Do not remortgage because you do not know if you can service the loan for as long as you anticipate. You could end up having very little to leave your kids if you make this knob end such a generous present.

GrannyJJ · 23/06/2025 00:04

Ukholidaysaregreat · 22/06/2025 20:26

Why are you worried about paying him anything. It's your house and you are not married. He knew that when he moved in. Unless he has been paying you loads of rent to live there you don't owe him anything. And even if he has you don't owe it back to him. That's not how it works with land lords.

Because he’s paid for renovations that have increased the value of the house, there is a thing called unjust enrichment.. although he was buying things with an inheritance that I didn’t want or need. New external doors.. landscape gardening etc.
I would prefer to stay here and buy him out - he has paid money since he moved in but if he moves out and that stops, he’s proving that it was just rent and not a mortgage contribution..

anyway must try and get some sleep. Thanks again everyone. I keep thinking I’m over reacting as he did say he’s never done that before and gets “frustrated” with me.

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GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 23:56

LurkyMcLurkinson · 22/06/2025 23:27

You’re right to try and extract yourself before you marry this man. He is abusive and the fact he only behaves this way with you tells you that he has far more control of himself than he would like you to know. Looking forwards be mindful abuse escalates over time so it will only get worse. He’s also not going to change unless he recognises he’s abusive, is very committed to addressing it and is willing to engage with specialist services to do perpetrator work. This isn’t a situation where couples counselling would work, as it’s not recommended that people in abusive relationships engage with couples counselling. You therefore either need to accept this is your life, tiptoeing around an unpredictable, abusive and angry man, or get him out. It sounds like you’ve made your mind up so now it’s time
to take action. I would highly recommend as a starting point you confide in someone, even if you don’t share the full details. Telling someone he’s been verbally abusive and you’re asking him to leave will hold you accountable to your plan but also offer additional emotional support, as well as helping to keep you safer at a time when domestic abuse risk increases substantially (when ending a relationship).

I did tell a friend we’d had an argument and that he’s getting even more grumpy. She was asking if he’s stressed etc. The thing is some folk think he’s absolutely charming - life and soul of the party. But at best he’s just getting more and more angry/grumpy/unkind.

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GrannyJJ · 22/06/2025 23:53

PullTheBricksDown · 22/06/2025 22:44

Please make sure you're safe tonight OP. Can you jam your bedroom door shut from inside?

I’m safe. He knows my son would go to jail for what he’d do to him if he knew what had been happening. I sense my partner is realising the impact of this as I normally try to discuss issues. And give him an out.. not this time.

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Bridgetjonesheart · 22/06/2025 23:38

This is awful. It really must be quite bad if people are commenting about the way he talks to you. It takes a lot for people to do that. It sounds like you’re trying to make sense of the way he treats you- adhd, dementia. It’s normal to try and frame it and understand it but ultimately he’s out of order. I do hope you find the courage to leave.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 22/06/2025 23:27

You’re right to try and extract yourself before you marry this man. He is abusive and the fact he only behaves this way with you tells you that he has far more control of himself than he would like you to know. Looking forwards be mindful abuse escalates over time so it will only get worse. He’s also not going to change unless he recognises he’s abusive, is very committed to addressing it and is willing to engage with specialist services to do perpetrator work. This isn’t a situation where couples counselling would work, as it’s not recommended that people in abusive relationships engage with couples counselling. You therefore either need to accept this is your life, tiptoeing around an unpredictable, abusive and angry man, or get him out. It sounds like you’ve made your mind up so now it’s time
to take action. I would highly recommend as a starting point you confide in someone, even if you don’t share the full details. Telling someone he’s been verbally abusive and you’re asking him to leave will hold you accountable to your plan but also offer additional emotional support, as well as helping to keep you safer at a time when domestic abuse risk increases substantially (when ending a relationship).

Ponoka7 · 22/06/2025 22:55

Don't waste these last good years on him. No-one is guaranteed good health. Don't assume that you can keep working, or you've got time in the future. End it quickly and make plans that suit you.

Ladamesansmerci · 22/06/2025 22:50

OP, I work in dementia as a mental health nurse. This guy has been an asshole for three years. He doesn't have memory problems, he's just a piece of abusive shit.

Dementia a progressive decline of memory and functional ability. Even with things like FTD, which causes significant personality changes, you will see a functional and linguistic decline. After three years, you would know if he had dementia.

PonyPatter44 · 22/06/2025 22:49

I'd get rid of him sooner rather than later, and I certainly wouldn't be giving him £80k to go away!!