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sherbertcandy · 23/06/2025 18:21

I am sooo worried and anxiety going through the roof over it all. Now they’ve bombed a US air base in Quatar!

MyHomeIsMyHappyPlace · 23/06/2025 18:18

MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 02:09

I believe it's 10pm their time - I'm watching Agenda Free TV so they'll cover it. I was starting to feel sleepy. Not so much now....

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What is the tv channel please?

Roseshavethorns · 23/06/2025 18:17

Iran apparently targeting US base in Doha and perhaps other bases in the Middle East.
I don't want to think about what comes next.

PoopingAllTheWay · 23/06/2025 18:02

Explosions heard over Doha - USA military basis at major risk

Knew this would happen

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 16:48

loopinloo · 23/06/2025 13:23

Fair — but I did outline a way forward: diplomacy. That path is rapidly narrowing, but hopefully not closed. Iran has previously offered to cap enrichment, export or dilute stockpiles, and accept rigorous inspections in return for sanctions relief and credible guarantees. That’s still a better option than airstrikes, which only drive the program underground and make monitoring harder. Zero enrichment was never realistic — but verifiable limits and oversight can work. If the goal is to reduce the 60% stockpile and avoid another war, we need to reengage, not escalate. @EasternStandard — I’m curious how you see a viable path forward, both now and before the strikes. What would your approach be/have been?

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I hope there will be diplomacy. I think Iran and Israel will exchange bombings which is really awful for both groups of people. One may start to run low on missiles then what I’m not sure.

US I assume doesn’t want to keep going on strikes so try to talk again.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 16:09

Germany is doing alright for energy now by the way. It was rough in the first year of the Russian invasion, but it's diversified and is doing okay. Energy prices are high for business but this was the case before, as well as after, although they are even higher now. It's a point of concern but not the major disaster you painted.

DinkyW · 23/06/2025 15:50

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tamade · 23/06/2025 15:27

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:04

Because Israel and USA have not sworn to destroy another sovereign country.

Iran has been threatening to remove Israel from the map for years.

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The US (and Co) has destroyed plenty of countries.
And not just the obvious ones like Iraq with war and bombs I might add.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 15:21

@rainingsnoring Yet there's no need for a discussion. All that's needed is one sentence.

"I condemn unprovoked aggression, including Russia against Ukraine, Hamas against Israel and the destruction in Gaza".

It's so simple, what -is- your problem?

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 15:20

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Why do you say that re pp?

bigboykitty · 23/06/2025 15:18

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rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 15:12

notimagain · 23/06/2025 15:02

If you had been paying any attention to anything other than what seems to be your subject of spcial interest over the last few years you'll see @DucklingSwimmingInstructress has started, or certainly contributed to the multiple threads running on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

It's interesting to me that you could kill this side argument in a few seconds, stone cold dead, by condeming all unprovoked invasions..do that, thread is back on the rails....but you won"t...so I guess we'll have to draw our own comclusions.

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I don't want to get into a discussion with someone who has been lurking around waiting to attack at the mention of Russia. That behaviour is unhinged.
Perhaps they are not the only one lurking around though waiting to police other people's comments.

How about the pair of you stop wrecking @MistressoftheDarkSide's thread and move on.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 15:05

Because at this point you seem utterly unable to condemn it, which is very strange in someone so knowledgeable.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 15:04

No, I'm just interested in the misrepresentation you convey and the way you ignore evidence that doesn't fit your agenda.

Tell you what, I'll go away if you can clearly state in black and white that unprovoked invasions, including Russia of Ukraine, are a bad thing.

Very simple, and it'll give you what you want... with a gentle reminder that you brought up Russia and the reliance on Russia's energy in the first place.

notimagain · 23/06/2025 15:02

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:52

Stop trying to derail the thread @DucklingSwimmingInstructress. For the third time, go and start your own thread and stop the threats.You obviously need help.

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If you had been paying any attention to anything other than what seems to be your subject of spcial interest over the last few years you'll see @DucklingSwimmingInstructress has started, or certainly contributed to the multiple threads running on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

It's interesting to me that you could kill this side argument in a few seconds, stone cold dead, by condeming all unprovoked invasions..do that, thread is back on the rails....but you won"t...so I guess we'll have to draw our own comclusions.

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:52

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 14:37

What's the problem here?

You can condemn unprovoked invasions, can't you?

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Stop trying to derail the thread @DucklingSwimmingInstructress. For the third time, go and start your own thread and stop the threats.You obviously need help.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 14:37

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:30

Start your own threat if you want to talk about Putin and Russia.

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What's the problem here?

You can condemn unprovoked invasions, can't you?

notimagain · 23/06/2025 14:35

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:30

Start your own threat if you want to talk about Putin and Russia.

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Hah, priceless...

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 14:33

Oh you brought Russia up. Just asking you your opinion, since you did.

You're so very clear that warmongering and attacks are wrong. Can you condemn Russia?

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:30

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 14:29

Wasn't there a conversation earlier about issues that touch the Middle East and the attack on Iran?

You seem to be rather carefully avoiding answering the question. Why is that?

Can you say your position on whether Europe should have come to Ukraine's defense or not?

Because according to what the leaders of Europe are saying, Russia is preparing to attack within 5 years and we need to be ready. War is taking place within Europe already, and might very well escalate because Iran's great ally, Russia, is planning on attacking.

Can you face that?

Start your own threat if you want to talk about Putin and Russia.

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:29

MushMonster · 23/06/2025 13:41

I fully agree.
There is nothing to win for US appearing weak and controlled by Netanyahu. Appearing untrustworthy. Ignoring the international law we have built. Even their own Constitution!
If we want someone to trully respect us, we cannot be the local bully and thug. Or worst the little bully and thug stuck to a bigger bully and thug.

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I'm sure that Trumps international reputation and probably domestic reputation will have taken a beating as a result of this.
He will now be seen, not only as a bully internationally but also as someone not to be trusted in negotiations. To be planning missiles strikes with Israel at the same time as being in peaceful talks with the Iranians about their uranium is duplicitous.
Unfortunately, the UK has already lost its reputation!
Let us hope that some cooler heads can be prevail at some point before this situation escalates massively.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 14:29

Wasn't there a conversation earlier about issues that touch the Middle East and the attack on Iran?

You seem to be rather carefully avoiding answering the question. Why is that?

Can you say your position on whether Europe should have come to Ukraine's defense or not?

Because according to what the leaders of Europe are saying, Russia is preparing to attack within 5 years and we need to be ready. War is taking place within Europe already, and might very well escalate because Iran's great ally, Russia, is planning on attacking.

Can you face that?

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 14:20

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 13:35

Grow up and let Russia invade Europe unimpeded you mean?

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This thread is about the US attacks on Iran.
If you want to chat about Putin and Russia, go and start your own thread.

MushMonster · 23/06/2025 13:41

loopinloo · 23/06/2025 09:38

A clear mismatch of expectations between the U.S. and Israel is becoming apparent. Israel has leaned heavily on military force while abandoning diplomacy—an approach that history shows is unsustainable. By aligning itself so closely with Netanyahu’s militaristic strategy, the U.S. is not just enabling escalation; it’s deepening regional instability.

American bases in Iraq, Qatar, and Bahrain may be strategic assets, but from Iran’s perspective, they represent a direct threat—making them likely targets and raising the risk of broader conflict. Militarization in this context doesn't deter; it provokes. It doesn’t create peace—it undermines it. Is this really what “peace through strength” was meant to achieve?

One could argue that Trump’s decision to act militarily is the direct consequence of his own earlier choice—nearly a decade ago—to dismantle the very diplomatic framework designed to prevent exactly this scenario.

In the long term, the legacy of this attack—combined with the atrocities in Gaza—will likely erode the very sense of security that Israelis and some Americans believed they were ensuring for Israel. Once again, U.S. politicians will face the familiar dilemma: whether to continue supporting the behaviour of a foreign ally, even if a future Iranian governments—like others before—expresses willingness to engage in security talks but questions American sincerity, especially in light of past rejections of diplomatic overtures.

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I fully agree.
There is nothing to win for US appearing weak and controlled by Netanyahu. Appearing untrustworthy. Ignoring the international law we have built. Even their own Constitution!
If we want someone to trully respect us, we cannot be the local bully and thug. Or worst the little bully and thug stuck to a bigger bully and thug.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/06/2025 13:35

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 13:14

Please grow up. If you have something sensible to add, do so but I'm pretty sure personal attacks are banned on here.

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Grow up and let Russia invade Europe unimpeded you mean?