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Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:31

@mrsrtobinson Gaza isn't a country.

Palestine is though and only a minority of people deny that.

heartsinvisiblefury · 22/06/2025 07:30

Well done Trump on raising the likelihood of attacks in the US and elsewhere - you don’t just need a nuclear weapon to cause destruction, you need angry people with suicide bombs. Trump today has created more angry people. Idiot.

DdraigGoch · 22/06/2025 07:28

WhiteMilk · 22/06/2025 02:08

What do you mean? What are they up to?

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Dithering, mostly

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:28

Righteo · 22/06/2025 07:26

Israel has levelled Gaza. Isn't that enough destruction for you?

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Gaza isn't a country.

What other examples do you have?

savory · 22/06/2025 07:27

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:24

And the US and Israel have both actually destroyed other countries with actions.

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Did they swear though !

Righteo · 22/06/2025 07:26

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:18

Israel and the US haven’t destroyed other countries?

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Israel has levelled Gaza. Isn't that enough destruction for you?

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:26

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:24

And the US and Israel have both actually destroyed other countries with actions.

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Which ones ??

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:24

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:21

We are talking about Iran. Not other countries. Let's keep on topic. Iran have sworn an oath to destroy other countries. US and Israel have not sworn an oath to destroy Iran. They just removed their nuclear capability.

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And the US and Israel have both actually destroyed other countries with actions.

9448djdi · 22/06/2025 07:24

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:19

Because Russia can still be negotiated with diplomatically not to use them against their neighbours. Iran can't.

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Really- says who. Putin ignores whatever anybody says and is clearly not somebody who can be relied on.

savory · 22/06/2025 07:24

Thank god we got rid of Iraq's weapons of mass detsruction or they could use them on us !

9448djdi · 22/06/2025 07:23

Birdsinginginthetrees · 22/06/2025 06:47

The difference between Israel and Iran couldn’t be more stark. Israel is a democratic ally to the West that doesn’t threaten to wipe countries off the map, doesn’t fund terrorist groups to destabilise the region, and doesn’t chant “Death to America” in its parliament. Iran does all of that—and more. Israel hasn’t signed the NPT, but it also hasn’t violated international agreements, lied to inspectors, or used its nuclear capabilities as a bargaining chip to spread chaos. The reason the world was so focused on Iran’s nuclear program is because Iran is a hostile regime with a proven record of violence, not because of some double standard—it’s because the threat was real, and dangerous.

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Isreal is however committing genocide, carrying out war crimes, not listening to the rest of the world and is led by an incredibly dangerous leader who has Trump in his pocket, just like Putin does.

And you think this is safer and not double standards. 🤔

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:23

TheAutumnCrow · 22/06/2025 07:08

We have a farcically facile level of public debate about the Middle East in the UK. God knows what it’s like in the US.

People who have never set foot in a Middle Eastern country and couldn’t even tell you who the Druze are or what happened at the Cairo Conference seem to nevertheless have some very bigly opinions.

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The Cairo conference in 1943 established the Hashemite kingdoms of Iraq and Jordan, with Prince Faisal and Prince Abdullah as rulers respectively.

The Hashamite Kingdom of Jordan still exists but the Hashamite Kingdom of Iraq does not because it was removed my a military coup in 1958. This involved members of the Hashemite Royal Family being murdered.

The Hashemites trace their lineage back the the prophet Abraham and consider themselves "guardians of the holy places" in Islam.

I'm not sure how this is relevant today.

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:21

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:18

Israel and the US haven’t destroyed other countries?

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We are talking about Iran. Not other countries. Let's keep on topic. Iran have sworn an oath to destroy other countries. US and Israel have not sworn an oath to destroy Iran. They just removed their nuclear capability.

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:19

9448djdi · 22/06/2025 07:15

Can somebody tell me why it’s ok for Russia to have nuclear weapons and to actually invade Ukraine but not for Iran?

Because Russia can still be negotiated with diplomatically not to use them against their neighbours. Iran can't.

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:18

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:12

They haven't destroyed a country. They just prevented it from nuclear enrichment. Slight difference.

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Israel and the US haven’t destroyed other countries?

9448djdi · 22/06/2025 07:15

Can somebody tell me why it’s ok for Russia to have nuclear weapons and to actually invade Ukraine but not for Iran?

Righteo · 22/06/2025 07:13

Thegreyhound · 22/06/2025 07:09

Israel and the US have not sworn to destroy another country?
I see so it’s ok to actually destroy other countries buy its wrong if you swear you are going to do it

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👏👏👏

Moulook31 · 22/06/2025 07:12

savory · 22/06/2025 06:16

War war war - meanwhile they bomb starving Gazan who are desperately queing for food - these are our 'allies' ?

Indeed!

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:12

Thegreyhound · 22/06/2025 07:09

Israel and the US have not sworn to destroy another country?
I see so it’s ok to actually destroy other countries buy its wrong if you swear you are going to do it

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They haven't destroyed a country. They just prevented it from nuclear enrichment. Slight difference.

Thegreyhound · 22/06/2025 07:09

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:04

Because Israel and USA have not sworn to destroy another sovereign country.

Iran has been threatening to remove Israel from the map for years.

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Israel and the US have not sworn to destroy another country?
I see so it’s ok to actually destroy other countries buy its wrong if you swear you are going to do it

TheAutumnCrow · 22/06/2025 07:08

Poynsettia · 22/06/2025 06:59

Thanks for that - somehow doesn’t seem to be discussed in the U.K.

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We have a farcically facile level of public debate about the Middle East in the UK. God knows what it’s like in the US.

People who have never set foot in a Middle Eastern country and couldn’t even tell you who the Druze are or what happened at the Cairo Conference seem to nevertheless have some very bigly opinions.

OhCalmTheFuckDownBarbara · 22/06/2025 07:06

Righteo · 22/06/2025 06:47

And like our servile PM, Starmer, they mealy mouthed state "Israel has a right to defend itself', whilst seeing that Israel is the first one to attack Iran then spew the same rubbish when the attacked country retaliates. No mention of Iran having a right to defend itself from it's attackers.

More galling when Starmer, a former human rights lawyer and head of the Crown Prosecution Service, repeatedly fails to acknowledge the clear evidence of war crimes conducted by the Israeli government including collective punishment, bombing of hospitals, schools, and the killing and starvation of a population.

Those claiming to be "stauch supporters of Israel" should be asking themselves, "why". Shouldn't a true friend be able to step in and tell someone that enough is enough, you have gone too far, as is the case with Gaza and bombing territories/countries left, right and centre"? When a friend/ally can"t be reasoned with we should walk away.

When will Starmer and other world leaders start listening to their populations that are horrified at the slaughter and carnage that Israel has inflicted on Gaza? When will they see that the Israeli government now has a bloodlust and territorial ambitions and nothing will stop them escalating further in the region until massive pressure is put on them in the form of sanctions, arms embargoes, etc?

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You need to understand Iran isn't an innocent bystander and it's not completely accurate to say Israel attacked Iran first when Iran have been arming and funding Hamas and Hesbolah for years to attack Israel for them. Iran make no secret that their sole aim is the destruction of Israel. That's why they finance and arm other groups to attack Israel on their behalf.

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mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:04

ohfook · 22/06/2025 07:02

You’ve summed up pretty succinctly something I’ve never understood and that’s why does the US get to decide who is allowed WMDs and who isn’t. Why is Isreal allowed them despite the fact Netanyahu is absolutely off his trolley, Russia too even though Putin is clearly not a rational man either but not Iraq and Iran?

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Because Israel and USA have not sworn to destroy another sovereign country.

Iran has been threatening to remove Israel from the map for years.

aphroditeflighty · 22/06/2025 07:03

France provided Israel with nuclear capability in the 1950's, and it was kept hushed and hidden, even from US inspections in the early 60's.
There are nine nuclear capable countries (known about), and each hold this approximate number of warheads.

Russia: 4,309
United States: 3,700
China: 600
France: 290
United Kingdom: 225 (used to be over 500 in the 1970's!)
India: 180
Pakistan: 170
Israel: 90
North Korea: 50