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The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 01:19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

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rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 10:04

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 10:01

I’m fine with those who are invited onto the radio, I don’t note their names. I assume you have confirmation bias as we all do. One good thing about someone else choosing who talks is you’re not limiting to that.

How naive. I made a comment earlier about the UK population being 'dumbed down'.
If you want to be well informed, you need to listen to a broader range of media than the BBC. I guess you don't want to be as you have entirely dismissed my suggestions or people who are extremely knowledgable on this topic.

Wintersgirl · 22/06/2025 10:02

Figcherry · 22/06/2025 04:07

Yes, Iran have attacked Israel since April 2024, so over a year.

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And lets not forget that Israel has been bombing Palestine for DECADES...

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 10:02

Well you are supporting the current fighting though. Apparently, some analysts on the radio think that there may be a threat.

IsthataYes · 22/06/2025 10:02

@EasternStandard I agree.
I think this is a good thing and disempowers this appalling murderous regime.I'm just not convinced that the sites have been taken out.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 10:01

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:58

Which analysts and on what radio station? The BBC have been gagged on this ongoing Israeli issue and are absolutely not independent on many others.This is well known.

Please listen to some people who actually know what they are talking about such as Professor John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs.

I’m fine with those who are invited onto the radio, I don’t note their names. I assume you have confirmation bias as we all do. One good thing about someone else choosing who talks is you’re not limiting to that.

Noonk · 22/06/2025 10:00

Birdsinginginthetrees · 22/06/2025 06:47

The difference between Israel and Iran couldn’t be more stark. Israel is a democratic ally to the West that doesn’t threaten to wipe countries off the map, doesn’t fund terrorist groups to destabilise the region, and doesn’t chant “Death to America” in its parliament. Iran does all of that—and more. Israel hasn’t signed the NPT, but it also hasn’t violated international agreements, lied to inspectors, or used its nuclear capabilities as a bargaining chip to spread chaos. The reason the world was so focused on Iran’s nuclear program is because Iran is a hostile regime with a proven record of violence, not because of some double standard—it’s because the threat was real, and dangerous.

Oh please! Israel is the greatest threat to the Middle East and the world! I'm not going to debate with someone who is defending a country committing genocide.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:59

FOJN · 22/06/2025 09:55

According the Netanyahu the threat of a nuclear Iran has existed for over 30 years and yet here we are. You can't be surprised some of us are questioning the credibility of claims about Iran being an imminent threat. We have been lied to many, many times. I'd rather we had concrete evidence that Iran was developing nuclear weapons before we think about starting a war and even then it should be a last resort.

The 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified by claims they had weapons which would reach London in 45 minutes but that was a lie. Why would you believe the claims about Iran now?

The people beating the drum for war are rarely those who would volunteer to go and fight in one or be happy to see people they care about being conscripted.

The last thing I’d want is fighting. This is pretty much the only bigger concern otherwise my concern is for anyone conscripted, whether Ukrainian, Russian or NK.

All leaders recognise the threat of Iran getting weapons, even those who think they can be talked out of it. Once that threat is realised waiting doesn’t make sense as it empowers Iran.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:58

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:55

I don’t listen to BN. I listen to analysts on the radio who talk about where Iran is and what the threat is.

Which analysts and on what radio station? The BBC have been gagged on this ongoing Israeli issue and are absolutely not independent on many others.This is well known.

Please listen to some people who actually know what they are talking about such as Professor John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs.

SinnerBoy · 22/06/2025 09:57

EasternStandard · Today 09:49

No, of course I don't want them to have a nuclear bomb, as I said in my previous post.

I said they'd be mad not to be trying for it.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:55

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:50

That is not what I am saying @EasternStandard. Please read my posts. I have said repeatedly that there is no evidence that Iran has NW and that they were in peaceful negotiations regarding this at the time of the Israeli attack.
I was simply taking this one step further because of the fact that you and others are repeatedly raising concerns. I was pointing out that, even in the 'worst case scenario' it does not mean that Iran or any other country will use their NW. The argument for NW (which I think should not exist anywhere, btw) has always been that they are a deterrent.

What makes you believe Netanyahu's accounts? Why do you think that Israel and the US attacking Iran will reduce the risk of further violence, whether in the ME or anywhere else? Why do you think that murdering civilians and mindless violence, just in case what Israel says is true is worthwhile?

I don’t listen to BN. I listen to analysts on the radio who talk about where Iran is and what the threat is.

FOJN · 22/06/2025 09:55

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:27

You can’t wish this Iranian threat away though. And longer it’s left the greater the threat. So you leave it a few years and Iran is further emboldened.

Why would that be a good thing?

According the Netanyahu the threat of a nuclear Iran has existed for over 30 years and yet here we are. You can't be surprised some of us are questioning the credibility of claims about Iran being an imminent threat. We have been lied to many, many times. I'd rather we had concrete evidence that Iran was developing nuclear weapons before we think about starting a war and even then it should be a last resort.

The 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified by claims they had weapons which would reach London in 45 minutes but that was a lie. Why would you believe the claims about Iran now?

The people beating the drum for war are rarely those who would volunteer to go and fight in one or be happy to see people they care about being conscripted.

ifionlyhadacat · 22/06/2025 09:54

OMG have just seen a photo of the news conference on the BBC news website and those piggy little eyes look so excited.....I am really worried

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 09:53

Crystaltipsandalistaire · 22/06/2025 09:41

Years of threatening the west and usa casually bombs the heck out of them. There bluff has been called. What do you expect. Now, as for UK, let's see all those fighting age immigrants announce there allegiance to the county that is housing and feeding them or will they be out demonstrating? I can already guess.

Why would an immigrant need to support the foreign policy of the country they have citizenship in bombing a country they might be from? This is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

Not lease because you don’t understand the difference between an immigrant and an asylum seeker and you also seem to weirdly think the UK is full of people from Iran.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:53

The peaceful president. Wasn't someone quoting Tulsi Gabbard as a truthful authority earlier? Who was that?

x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1850654992975454219

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:52

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:51

@EasternStandard

that type of question “do you want Iran to succeed” needs to be called out for being moronic, utterly lazy and completely trying to shut down reason.

It’s direct but many posts underplay the threat from Iran having nuclear weapons and that is more concerning to me than your ott post.

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 09:52

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:26

They flew with mid air refuelling from Guam - didn't go via Diego Garcia.

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I find it hard to believe that they were able to do this and overfly so many countries without being seen.

However, I will bow to your superior intelligence on this matter.

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:51

@EasternStandard

that type of question “do you want Iran to succeed” needs to be called out for being moronic, utterly lazy and completely trying to shut down reason.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:50

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:43

I’d prefer to those framing this in line with strong feelings on Israel on mn.

If those who are asking for ‘negotiating table’ are still saying Iran cannot have nuclear weapons that’s a reasonable position.

You seem to be saying Iran can have them as NK has not used them. There’s no way that’s robust enough reasoning. Anyone wanting Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a threat. They will be an outlier though in wanting that. Leaders are pretty much united on seeing the risk.

That is not what I am saying @EasternStandard. Please read my posts. I have said repeatedly that there is no evidence that Iran has NW and that they were in peaceful negotiations regarding this at the time of the Israeli attack.
I was simply taking this one step further because of the fact that you and others are repeatedly raising concerns. I was pointing out that, even in the 'worst case scenario' it does not mean that Iran or any other country will use their NW. The argument for NW (which I think should not exist anywhere, btw) has always been that they are a deterrent.

What makes you believe Netanyahu's accounts? Why do you think that Israel and the US attacking Iran will reduce the risk of further violence, whether in the ME or anywhere else? Why do you think that murdering civilians and mindless violence, just in case what Israel says is true is worthwhile?

somewhereintheworld · 22/06/2025 09:50

There's been wars throughout history. Why do we have to have this? Why can't we all live in peace and harmony? Surely that's what any sane person wants.

savory · 22/06/2025 09:50

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:47

@snowmichael

ive reported your post as it is utterly sickening that you’re implying the gazans are well and absolutely thriving in fact

When someone says that they are either stupid or have lost all their humanity. I don't think they are stupid.

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:49

Wars have intensified under Trumps 5 month term so far, look how things are going

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:49

SinnerBoy · 22/06/2025 09:48

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 03:11

How is he a warmongerer?

Well, the whole bombing them part tends to suggest it.

He has tried to reach peace deals and Iran failed to agree.

Has he? Or has he spouted a load of shite?

If only there were some mutually beneficial arrangements in place, which would have Iran give their highly enriched uranium over and agree to inspections from the IAEA and UN, to a more intrusive level than legally required.

Iran could have had frozen assets unlocked and sold their oil on the international market again.

Oh wait, that was the case! So what happened?

Oh yes, last time round,Trump reversed all that for no reason other than, "Ug, Iran bad! Smash Iran! Nuclear bad! Ug!"

Face it, the Israelis have been saying periodically for the last 30 years that Iran is 6 months to a year away from having a nuclear weapon. I don't want any more nuclear armed countries, but to be honest, they'd be mad not to be trying.

Do you want Iran to succeed in getting nuclear weapons?

GentleSheep · 22/06/2025 09:48

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:26

They flew with mid air refuelling from Guam - didn't go via Diego Garcia.

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They didn't actually, that turned out to be a decoy flight. The B2s that flew to Iran flew directly there from Missouri, their transponders were off so they couldn't be tracked, but by then all eyes were on the other set of B2 bombers.

SinnerBoy · 22/06/2025 09:48

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 03:11

How is he a warmongerer?

Well, the whole bombing them part tends to suggest it.

He has tried to reach peace deals and Iran failed to agree.

Has he? Or has he spouted a load of shite?

If only there were some mutually beneficial arrangements in place, which would have Iran give their highly enriched uranium over and agree to inspections from the IAEA and UN, to a more intrusive level than legally required.

Iran could have had frozen assets unlocked and sold their oil on the international market again.

Oh wait, that was the case! So what happened?

Oh yes, last time round,Trump reversed all that for no reason other than, "Ug, Iran bad! Smash Iran! Nuclear bad! Ug!"

Face it, the Israelis have been saying periodically for the last 30 years that Iran is 6 months to a year away from having a nuclear weapon. I don't want any more nuclear armed countries, but to be honest, they'd be mad not to be trying.

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:47

@snowmichael

ive reported your post as it is utterly sickening that you’re implying the gazans are well and absolutely thriving in fact