The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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BREAKING: Iranian parliament has just voted to close the Strait of Hormuz.

• 20% of global oil passes through the Strait

HERE’s what to expect if successful:

• Oil Prices could spike by 30–50%+ almost immediately

• Global Inflation likely Rises

• U.S. Gas Prices likely Skyrocket. Potential $5–$7/gallon range depending on duration

• Military Escalation Risk. U.S. Navy and allies likely to respond

• Tanker delays affect oil, LNG, and related goods

They could, but it's all downside risk to them to do so. If Iran uses a Chinese nuclear weapon, China is implicated in the act.

Can other countries give Iran nuclear weapons ? Surely if this was the case it would have happened already ?

I thought you’d stopped responding? Anyway as you wish

The US don’t want it and they have greater impact than Israel. Israel and Iran will likely carry on, sadly for both groups of people but what the US wants has bigger implications.

Have you listened to anyone talking about this today?

Er. The Israelis have literally stated that as one of their aims! They have stated that they want to kill the supreme leader and have already killed multiple other Iranian leaders.
Your suggestion that Israel/US can simply bomb some nuclear sites and eradicate all chance of an Iranian nuclear weapon and that we can all go home happy is naive in the extreme.

Interesting metaphor, but I’m not sure it gives the full picture if it’s all framed as "Iran the baddie pulling the strings" while Israel is just the innocent target of playground bullies.

What about the perspective that Israel's attacks is because Iran is actually at its weakest point in years? Some analysts argue that the timing of Israel’s actions isn’t because Iran has powerful friends doing its bidding—but because it doesn’t.

Israel has struck Iranian forces abroad, targeted and humiliated its proxies, and, most provocatively, hit inside Iranian territory. The so-called "Axis of Resistance" has wobbled badly. Iran didn’t—or couldn’t—do much to steady it.

In Syria, Assad is still clinging on but has lost influence. Hezbollah is overstretched and bloodied. Iraqi militias linked to Iran are more focused on business and local politics than jumping to Tehran’s defense. That leaves the Houthis—arguably the only ones still actively resisting.

So maybe the question isn't just about Iran sponsoring chaos, but why Israel chose now to escalate. Could it be precisely because Iran looks isolated and vulnerable, and that its deterrent power is fading?

Just a different lens to consider—as Mumsnetters know things on the playground aren’t always as simple as they seem.

No. So much nonsense being spewed on here and the other threads. They have just swallowed the Israeli (and the US/Uk narrative which is the same) whole and not stopped to think about any of their assertions.

Were they? So many emojis, hard to see as sensible.

It’s almost as if no one really gave a shit about the things they were purporting to care so much about

That’s funny because last I saw everyone who was cheerleading for Israel and the US v Iran was saying it was for the sake of women’s rights and democracy 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡

None of my posts mention anything about conspiracy theories. The only person who said this, “Yeah he planned with Hezbollah to attack Israel so Israel can attack Iran so he can hide the billions he is stealing 😂” is you.

I'm not trying to say that the current lot are any better, but Iranians prefer the Devil they know.

OK so we're both generalising about what Iranians prefer. I don't profess to personally knowing the Iranian people, but "better the Devil you know" is not the message I've been getting from Iranians ringing up LBC purposefully wanting it to be known that they back Israel's actions (given the US intervention was only a few hours ago, the comments I heard were before that).

They used the words "regime change" because they hate what has happened to their country and what their leaders have done to the citizens of their country. Iranians are afraid of their own shadow in their country. The people ringing LBC were Iranians living in UK,

I don’t think regime change is wanted. If the nuclear capability is gone then Iran can be left, and even have a relationship with US

daisychain01 · Today 10:14

One doesn't have to beat the drum for war or be a warmonger to recognise there is merit in US giving a show of strength towards Iran, which is a country where even its own citizens want regime change.

I can tell that you don't know any Iranians. The last thing they want is for the country to be obliterated and have it foisted on them by the Americans.

That never ends well, they ended up with the Mullahs, as a direct result of the last American intervention.

Under the Shah, SAVAK tortured and murdered at least 50,000 people. Journalists, dissidents, feminists, trade unionists. Tens of thousands of names were supplied to them by American intelligence agencies.

At least 300,000 were imprisoned thus, every single one of them were tortured.

I'm not trying to say that the current lot are any better, but Iranians prefer the Devil they know.

You missed a bit of this story out.

Iran maybe hasn't done anything directly.

However he has some friends called Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthi. He pays them, with giant conkers, free dinky toys and as many gumdrops as they can eat, to beat up some other kids he doesn't like. He even gives them money to buy catapults to do it. (This money was donated to help starving kids but Hamas has nicked it.)

The kids he doesn't like are called Israel & Lebanon and they play in different areas of the playground. Iran has threatened to give Israel a "Chinese Burn" many times.

So Houthi sinks boats not just belonging to Israel, but belonging to anyone in the paddling pool, which upsets everyone. When another kid called Saudi Arabia tried to remove them, some people said they were a bully and had to stop. Now a lot of different groups have started fighting each other and no-one gets any gumdrops.

Hamas digs tunnels under Israel's land to come out and attack Israel. They also throw missiles over Israel's fence and injure some other kids who have nothing to do with this. When Israel throws objects back and Hamas kids get hurt they blubber and say "Boo-hoo you're a bully !"

Hezbollah throws objects at Israel from a different side.

So now we have the full picture.

US intelligence has consistently stated that Iran is not actively pursuing such a weapon. It recently assessed that, even if Iran decided to do so, it was up to three years away from being able to produce a nuclear weapon that it could deliver to a target of its choosing.

I always find this black and white- good Vs evil approach interesting. How do you get to this viewpoint? You do realise Iran has elections and a parliament right? You do also realise it was Trump that trashed the JCPOA and not Iran? And that Netanyahu has called for the destruction of Iran for the past fifteen years? Do you not think these strikes on Iran (or what is happening in Gaza currently) are destabilising the region? Just maybe things to think about- it's very rarely black and white.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/06/netanyahu-defends-arming-palestinian-clans-accused-of-ties-with-jihadist-groups

‘other countries’ like Russia?

All of this just makes me so sad. If you scale all of it back, it’s boys in the playground fighting with each other. Each one trying to look better than the other. Then they end up too far in to be able to lose face and back out. If all of these leaders were women we would never be in this mess 🤦🏼‍♀️ I so hope peace can be reached and all of the hurting innocent people can stop, wherever they live. I can’t bring myself to watch the news today because I feel my heart rate increase as soon as I hear about it all 😬

In all fairness the international atomic energy agency has been ringing alarm bells over Iran’s nuclear programme. It’s not just the U.S. / Israel.

Blockades and/or mining of the Strait of Hormuz would be strategic and expected from Iran, really.

Deputy Chair of the Security Council of Russia, Dimitry Medvedev, has tweeted in the last hour that other countries may give Iran (nuclear) missiles to replace any destroyed by the strike today.

How is supporting Israel or the US in any way different? I see no good guys anywhere here

No I think it’s dreadful. But if I remember correctly he was subject to impeachment twice last time around that failed, so just because he does impeachable things doesn’t mean he ends up getting kicked out.
I am pleased to see that the Saudi experts are saying there’s no increased/unusual radiation levels in the rest of the Gulf countries, but there appears to be some movement by Iran to block the strait of Hormuz which will be a big problem as that’s where all the oil is transported out if the region. Oil prices are going to soar, and that’s going to be great for world economy!

I was responding to someone who mentioned the 88%, and then you replied to me. I just didn't understand where that figure came from, which is why I asked. What's your thoughts on the 2015 Iran nuclear deal? It seemed like a viable alternative to the current approach. By the time Trump entered office in 2017, the JCPOA had already led Iran to eliminate 98% of its enriched uranium. The agreement also limited uranium enrichment to 3.7%, far below the threshold needed for weapons-grade material.
Netanyahu had been pushing for military action against Iran for 15 years, often warning that Iran was on the verge of acquiring a nuclear weapon. But launching a strike would have been harder to justify if Iran had no highly enriched uranium and was in full compliance with a verified international agreement.
Iran did abide by the JCPOA for four years, even staying in compliance for a full year after the U.S. pulled out. There’s no indication they wouldn’t have continued honoring the deal, which clearly aligned with their interests.