The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

In the context of this thread - there is one and anyone with half a brain cell can tell who it is.

We also have some waste to energy plants across the country, which are not doing very well. Let's see if we get them in reasonable performance.

@mrsrtobinson Yes, in these circumstances.
It would be better if we had gone ahead when we had time and got more green energy ( there is no military power that can control the sun, wind and waves!).
We could also have put our overalls on and got our own manufacturing back in action...
But, well, maybe finally we realise that we cannot make ourselves dependant on countries who are a whole continent away.

Isn't it a good job that our government has just scrapped Millepede's crackpot Net Zero agenda and agreed to resume oil drilling in the North Sea?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/iran-oil-doomsday-hormuz-may-be-more-fear-than-reality-bousso-2025-06-22/

and btw the Strait of Hormuz is a vast and natural waterway over 30 kilometres wide at its narrowest point. Iran controls only the northern half of the Strait. The southern half is under the control of Oman, which has consistently championed freedom of navigation.

Sorry - I thought that might have been the case. I believe they've done it before,in the 70s. Guess we'll soon know.

Doha as well, certainly for the next day or so (the code shares with the likes of Qatar are still operating).

Looks like the company is taking a time out to assess risk to their assets (crew, aircraft etc)

considering how often the west gets accused of western imperialism etc, would the better option be for the west to completely pull out of the region ?

The word legal is long out of the window.

Totally agree, which is why I was emphasising that my question is can they physically do it? Nobody will care about the legalities on either side.

I think the closing of Harmouz (sorry if I spelled that wrong!) will affect China more than Europe.
It is more expensive, but we should be able to get the crude delivered to a port on the other side of the arabic peninsula and then through the Suez canal.
It will go up, no doubts on that.

daisychain01 · Today 16:44

to add to my previous post, how would you like to live in fear, silenced and unable to live and talk freely, "like a Medieval peasant, being pedalled hatred in your school lessons from the start of the day to the end". This is what is being described on LBC.

That's fair enough, but it's not down to us to bomb them into a worse regime. The Shah was bad enough, if they weren't wealthy, or compliant.

Look at Iraq, Libya and Syria for some recent regime changes. Anarchy prevails and the regimes are as bad, or worse, with huge numbers of dead people.

Speak to some Iranians and they'll tell you they hate the regime, but don't want the Americans kicking the wasp's nest.

As if 'legally' plays in part in this current situation. The US bombs Iran without even domestic agreement and Israel is committing an ongoing atrocity, but we should wonder if it's actually legal for Iran to close the straits. Shows you how crazy this whole narrative is.

BA have just stopped flights to Dubai. I believe most usa airlines stopped flights last week.

Can they actually physically close the strait? I believe they legally can’t? How are they going to stop tankers going through? I know sometimes there are issues from Yemen with ships being attacked and I appreciate it’s a narrow body of water so ships might be fired on. But can’t the us navy escort ships through and fire back on any attackers? Is that a likely prospect? Or would they not be successful in defending tankers?

It's worth recognising that the vast majority of Iranians do not speak fluent English—just as only a small number of English speakers are fluent in Farsi. This presents a significant challenge in accurately representing the perspectives of ordinary Iranians. Until journalists develop stronger Farsi-language skills, much of the UK media will remain reliant on the views of a small, often Western-educated, English-speaking elite—almost all of whom do not reside in Iran. I'm presuming you haven't lived in Iran or experienced Iranians day to day existence? I'd be careful making sweeping assumptions of an entire country based on some LBC call ins!

I suppose because Trump now has his hand firmly on the trigger.

Good, I prefer that to stirring everyone up

I genuinely don't understand why this particular event is going to lead to WWIII, when all the other events over the last 50years that I can remember, and there will be countless others that are lost in the depths of my memory, haven't ?

I'm not trying to say that the current lot are any better, but Iranians prefer the Devil they know.

to add to my previous post, how would you like to live in fear, silenced and unable to live and talk freely, "like a Medieval peasant, being pedalled hatred in your school lessons from the start of the day to the end". This is what is being described on LBC. I would suggest you need to broaden your understanding of what it's like to actually live under that regime.

saying glibly that Iranians prefer the devil they know shows you don't really know or have witnessed their lives and what it's like day to day,

And there we go WW3

China was probably a bad example for that reason. Even Russia wouldn't want to be implicated if Iran were to use a weapon they provided. Once they hand it over, they lose all control over it. That would be true for any nation that supplied one.

I don’t think China want this. They will want economic stability instead.