To think all MNers hate men?

I don’t hate men - I know plenty of really lovely kind considerate men.

however, yesterday I was chatting with a female friend at a friends wedding, her husband and 2 other friends husband were sat at the table adjoining ours. We were have a really good chat about our grown up kids and empty nest syndrome. One of the other husbands turned to us and started saying do you two ever come up for air, you just talk non stop !! He thought it was a hilarious comment - I told him to turn around and leave us alone and talk to his mates, but he carried on, and on, we ended up just staring at him dead pan - no comments and eventually he got the hint. These are the men I hate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)

"Karen is a pejorative slang term typically used to refer to a middle class woman who is perceived as entitled or excessively demanding. The term is often portrayed in memes depicting middle-class white women who "use their white and class privilege to demand their own way". Depictions include demanding to "speak to the manager", being racist, or wearing a particular bob cut hairstyle. It was popularized in the aftermath of the Central Park birdwatching incident in 2020, when a woman called the police during a disagreement over the requirement for her dog to be leashed in an area of the park."

There is no male equivalent of the Karen.

On the birdwatching incident when the Karen called the police on the black man:

""It was through that performance that Amy Cooper took on the mantle of an American archetype: the white woman who weaponizes her vulnerability to exact violence upon a Black man. In history, she is Carolyn Bryant, the adult white woman whose complaint about a 14-year-old Emmett Till led to his torture and murder at the hands of racist white adults. In literature, she is Scarlett O’Hara sending her husband out to join a KKK lynching party or Mayella Ewell testifying under oath that a Black man who had helped her had raped her. In 2020, she is simply Karen."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/karen-race-white-women-black-americans-racism

Men who have affairs wreck their homes, yet the term is only used for the women they've freely chosen to have the affair with. Women are held to vastly higher standards than men are when it comes to sexual morality.

Not all women hate men. I bet these women like socialising with men.

I actually feel a bit sorry for boys and young men today growing up in a world that is very critical of them.

Men still overwhelmingly have the cards stacked in their favour.

The world is also and always has been incredibly critical of women - from Eve to the Daily Mail women are constantly scrutinised, found wanting and blamed.

I think a very significant proportion of people on Mumsnet seem to hate men and take every opportunity to criticise them. But far more Mumsnetters hate thwir mothers in law.

@Corriganscans You’re a woman living in this world, so I know you’re fully aware of the culture we live in today, where it’s acceptable for men to behaviour poorly. And when I I say poorly, I mean dodge responsibility, anct with impunity and use women. You’re in a lesbian relationship and might enjoy an even keel with your woman partner, so perhaps you’re not as closely exposed to some of these things, but you’re likely a woman in the workplace, and you’ll see it all of the time. Men take advance of women’s care and kindness. But I think women have a hand in their own mistreatment too. I’ve watched my own mother bring up boys to think they’re more entitled than their sisters. We’ve worked 10x harder than them and we’re expected to.

We’re in a better place today than we were say in the 60s. Even the 80s. Men have abused their power and literally used women to make their home and their careers since year dot. And to say that still happens now is absolutely true. Not to the same degree as it was, but it is true. I could sit here and type a reel of scenarios, but we all know them.

I agree that men are lost now. Because they don’t have the pedestal they’re used to. Women are competition for the jobs they want. They haven’t a servant with their dinner, shoes and lunch. They haven’t the glory of having gone and fought in the war, so they translate that energy into sports rivalry or hooliganism.

Look around the planet. On the news headlines. Any unfairness. Tragedy. Atrocity. It’s rarely a woman. But you’ll find women and girls trying to survive through it.

When Hannah Gadsby said that if she was the only woman in a room of men, she felt afraid. I agreed.

I’m specifically addressing the term “home-wrecker”.

Is it contempt/hatred or just calling out/anger at the collective injustice. The most dangerous person in a straight woman's life statistically is her male partner. Women as a group suffer hugely from domestic abuse and domestic inequalities which steal their time money and lives. Does talking about that mean you hate all men? No. It's ok to hate the patriarchy and to call out those who perpetuate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Eckford

So the men who only want a shag aren't cheap, but women who want a relationship are?

Crikey. Is it Emmett Till o'clock already.

And I nearly won the lottery.

How do you date/fancy/fall in love with them if you have such negative views of them?

Hormones and the urge to have sex/children. After menopause it's much easier to see how bloody useless/misogynist/emotionally stunted and unwholesome so many men are.

I don't hate men but I think it's very important to keep them on a tight leash, never let them get the upper hand etc.

Exactly this. I love DH, I have great male friends.

But that doesn't stop me knowing that the world’s problems, war, famine, violence, lack of safety, oppression and greed, are massively supported and exported by men. The most dangerous person in the world to almost every woman in history and everywhere in the world is her male partner. He is the most likely person to kill her. As a lesbian you thankfully don’t have to worry about that. But it’s a sobering thought.

I think it's obvious on here when a women - is critical of a man and their behaviour through a 'lets dismantle the patriarchy' lense, and when a women is critical because she holds resentment and bitterness due to bad experiences with men. It's very blindingly obvious. But a lot of these same women (the latter) are also awfully critical of women on here. It's just pure bitterness. Often understandably so... but they are not level headed when it comes to a MN discussion on relationships, for example.

How White Women Use Themselves as Instruments of Terror

"We often like to make white supremacy a testosterone-fueled masculine expression, but it is just as likely to wear heels as a hood. Indeed, untold numbers of lynchings were executed because white women had claimed that a black man raped, assaulted, talked to or glanced at them. The Tulsa race massacre, the destruction of Black Wall Street, was spurred by an incident between a white female elevator operator and a black man. As the Oklahoma Historical Society points out, the most common explanation is that he stepped on her toe. As many as 300 people were killed because of it. The torture and murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955, a lynching actually, occurred because a white woman said that he "grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her". This practice, this exercise in racial extremism has been dragged into the modern era through the weaponizing of 9-1-1, often by white women, to invoke the power and force of the police who they are fully aware are hostile to black men. This was again evident when a white woman in New York's Central Park told a black man, a bird-watcher, that she was going to call the police and tell them that he was threatening her life."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html

‘To address some of the other responses re women who start threads about the shit the men they know personally have put them through - that’s not what I’m talking about. Everyone has beef with other people they know male or female. I’m talking about views on men in generaL’

Hmm can’t you see that those 2 things are linked? It’s not rocket science.

Indeed, but I would suggest they're less likely to be looking for anything more than that, i.e. to make someone's wife their own.

Men target women pretty indiscriminately for sex, yet it never cheapens them or devalues them like it does women. It's a sexist old trope that a nasty woman might come after your husband.

Your internalised misogyny is showing.

I often wonder what women like yourself expect to happen when you dick-pander. Do you think men will like you better? That they'll pat you on the head and call you a good girl for defending the poor helpless lambs? They won't. They won't give you a seat at their table, but they might let you crawl around under it for the crumbs.

You understand that the outliers don't invalidate the data?