To think all MNers hate men?

Prince Harry before the self absorbed, obnoxious Markle, largely a likable fella.

Nazi costume and blasting birds out of the air from the back of a car aside.

It is absolutely not the job of women to make sure men stay faithful. If your marriage is built on the hope that nasty women won't try to pursue your husband, you're probably better off single. This is the absolute definition of misogyny - women are not responsible for the actions of men.

You think KN is the worst politician in the world? Seriously? I can probably name 10 men off the top of my head, and hundreds more with a quick google, much much worse.

You REALLY have to dislike women to ignore Putin or Trump in favour of Noem.

I suppose women just get to an age where we've been made to feel afraid by a man, been hurt by a man, witnessed a man exposing himself in the street or pissing in a bus stop, have had men shout filth at us from a van, have been mansplained to, had a man push for something to which we've not given consent, put up repeatedly with a man who won't pull his weight on the domestic front or have seen one too many men picking nose, spitting in the street, fighting at the football or walking along with his hand down the front of his tracksuit.

On the whole they don't bear close inspection.

I have a wonderful son, partner, male friends.

I have also been sexually assaulted (unfortunately not uncommon), found a surprising number of men think it's OK to try and intimidate women, and been in an emotionally abusive relationship.

I find some women unlikable and annoying. But I've never been wary of them.

And sometimes women do a lot of heavy pursuing. Yes, the men have to take responsibility for cheating, but the women have to take responsibility for choosing to go after married men instead of single, available men.

I don't hate but I do dislike most men. My Grandad was an abuser and so was my SD. My first BF was also not very nice. They've grown up in a World where men dominate. They're pandered to by their mothers. A lot don't stand a chance.

Humans come in all different flavours but men commit 98% of violent crime. Men and women are different, regardless of the existence of unpleasant women.

I hate most the men that MNers post about, but why wouldn’t I, most the time it’s because they’ve done something that shocks people.
Let’s be honest whilst some women are awful, the majority of problems are caused by men.

Not sure about that. The threads I have seen where a woman has admitted to have slapped, pushed, shoved a partner etc. other women seem a lot more likely to tell her to seek help for being abusive than trying to mitigate the situation with alleged provocation.

'pursue' doing a lot of heavy lifting there! My DP is a great looking guy and in twenty years I guess he's been given the eye many times over. But he hasn't left me for anyone, and if he did, it would be entirely his doing!

Prince Harry before the self absorbed, obnoxious Markle, largely a likable fella.

Prince Harry after coming into her realm, as loathsome as she is.

The worst politician in the world right now? You will find it hard to find worse than a woman called Kristi Noem, a runt who wrote about killing her 14 month old dog "cricket", boasting about it in the process.

I know I'm using mostly american examples of horrible women, reason being they tend to have most of them, but this idea that women are all nice and light while men are vile is extreme ignorance.

you left 'pure' off the last hatred

I think women are tired of men’s shit. Some are decent, lots are really not.

All true, but there are women who pursue married men, with a view to marrying them themselves, despite have full knowledge of the fact that the man is already married, with children. They were perfectly free to pursue single men, but elected not to do so. This is where the term home-wrecker comes from.

MN is also very quick to call out women behaving badly - plenty of YABU.

I don't think it's gender specific.

One day, she realized, her children would learn that the snarling little brat in their history books was their mother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Massery

By cheating and lying, they are having sex they wouldn’t be having if their wife knew. They are circumventing consent. Which is utterly repulsive.

Yip, men want to have their security and their thrills, ie have their cake and eat it. Women prefer to be in committed relationships. Yet women are the ones deemed cheap and worthless.

Oh and the irony was one of the other things we were talking about was why I’m still single and have never wanted to get married

I love men, particularly Tom Hardy.

Also, I don't have an issue when people of colour correctly identity racism. If someone wants to say, ‘white people are a problem’ I’d agree, as a class we are. Men as a class are as well.

In my experience, married men who have affairs wish to remain married. So, by cheating, they’re allowing their home to be wrecked, but they’re not actively pursuing it, unlike many of the women who pursue them.

Two things…

Racism is as bad as misogyny, yes. Both bad. But racism doesn't make misogyny magically not count.

The actual violence enacted in your cases was male. Yes, the woman was the catalyst, but the violence is male.

Personally, I can't say I hate them, indifferent to them is a better overall description. There are some that I dislike though. This is based on personal experience and observation so is not, of course an unbiased view.

I do have two friends who are fortunate to have lovely husbands, but they are the exception rather than the rule from what I can see.