To think all MNers hate men?

Also, I used to host foreign language students and always requested girls. After being sent a boy by mistake, I realised how much easier they were.

Are you trying to find moral virtue in shagging opportunistically and without discrimination instead of wanting to be married?

Let week, someone on here said something like murderers should be hung (wasn't that - I can't remember what was said), especially if they'd killed a child or a woman.

As the mother of two adult DS's, it made me feel a bit sad.

I think it's utter stupidity to not treat everyone as an individual. Wars start when we hate whole groups of people. But then mumsnet is a law unto itself - it isn't representative of the general population.

No, I don’t think that. However, I think men are less likely to want to marry a woman who is already married, particularly if she has children.

I agree with most of your points OP.

I think there are a small number of impulsive misandrists on MN who blame men etc. for all the unhappiness in the world.

That said, there are also those here who are quick to accuse people of misogyny, and sometimes that feels impulsive, too.

In my personal life, I probably have 50-50 contact with women and men, and I don't really distinguish them in the way some posters do.

At work, though, that's a different matter.

Through many jobs I consistently find that the worst bullying and harassment was ... drumroll ... perpetrated by women.

I could also say the same for racism and homophobia too. I've had to work for some truly awful women ... mostly in the public sector! 😢

Regarding relationships ... hmm, I also think that both women and men can be lazy and useless, just in different ways.

It sometimes does make me 🙄when a poster on here has clearly expected her DH to be the breadwinner, for example.

Similarly, the alternative reality of those expecting relationships to be 'the one' and to last forever - I find that a bit weird and naive as well.

Political leaders - well, yes, the evil leaders of Iran are of course all men, as are vomit-inducing imbeciles like Trump or Lee Anderson💩

But again it depends. Criticise Truss or accuse Kier of being weak and people cheer. Criticise Angela or Rachel and you're a misogynist!

But I do feel sorry for boys in our society. Many of them lack decent role models at home, at school or on the BBC in the media.

None of this excuses the DV or abuse of a minority of women by men. But the vast majority of men are decent human beings.

I see this among my friends. Love, sex and a hopeful outlook get them to the point of kids and co habitation. By the time you're in that deep, you have joint finances and a shared home. My DP is brilliant domestically but we wouldn't still be together if it wasn't for DS. Neither of us would be willing to be a part time resident parent. Unless DP was awful then like loads of people, I just suck up the endless annoyances and the lack of excitement.

So you think that married women never get pursued by single men?

imhe men are usually the pursuers, whether they are the married one or not

It seems men are always the guilty party.

Not always guilty but almost always.

98% of adults prosecuted for sexual offenses are men.
92% of suspects convicted of murder in England and Wales are men.
80 to 90% of terrorists are men.
80% of people arrested for violent crime are men.
Mass shootings are 40 times more likely to have been carried out by men than women.

Men get paid on average 14% more than women.
87% of billionaires are men.
In the UK men hold 30% more wealth than women.
Women hold less than one-third of the top jobs across various sectors, including politics, law, and business

This is why there needs to be focus on improving chances for women.

Where is the balance unfair?

If men are fighting, what are they fighting for?
Why should we consider mens' needs when they clearly already hold the winning cards from birth?

I'll recommend going to forums dedicated to men. It is eye-opening.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/04/world/video/uk-riots-hotel-attacks-asylum-seekers-gotkine-br-digvid

No, men don’t block women from entering places (even though they do) they throw things and try to set fire to them.

So why do so many women allow it? That's what I don't get before kids do they put up with it, is it 50:50 or is it on mat leave?

Are you drunk? Or are you actually suggesting that men don't try and block apparent non residents from accessing private residences? Americans shoot people who step on their lawn ffs. If this is your best evidence of unique female evil then maybe... you have a poor case?

Are you genuinely saying that because racism exists, misogyny doesn't matter?

Because that appears to be what you are saying. With a lot of shitty Americans as examples.

I hope your message to your son is to help himself and other men, not to fight women for what they have.

For example, male mental health. Loneliness, a lack of relationships, a feeling is being lost, all terrible and epidemics right now. What is it caused by? Men relied on women to be their social secretaries. Now that women are staying single more (because a lot of men are pigs and we don’t need them) and men are favouring hook-up sex from apps, or forming relationships, men are lonelier and more isolated. There’s some statistic that married men describe their wife as their best friend about 60% of the time. Married women 30%. The obvious solution for your son to avoid this is to prioritise being a good friend, making social connections, having a real monogamous relationship not hook-up sex. Being worthy enough for a woman to commit to. Doing things that promote mental health, like volunteering and helping others. Exercising, eating well, having hobbies outside the home, not drinking too much, not taking drugs, not playing too much on electronics. All of that he has power over.

Instead of which some men look at their loneliness, lack of connection, lack of power, lack of educational or job success in the world and think women somehow stole it. And they blame women and hate women for it. Making themselves even less dateable and therefore even more lonely. If you teach him to hate women, he will be lonely and miserable.

this idea that women are all nice and light while men are vile is extreme ignorance.

Nobody is saying that women are all nice but men.

But...

98% of adults prosecuted for sexual offenses are men.
92% of suspects convicted of murder in England and Wales are men.
80 to 90% of terrorists are men.
80% of people arrested for violent crime are men.
Mass shootings are 40 times more likely to have been carried out by men than women.

*the video for those who don't watch is a Karen, a white woman, blocking a black man from entering his apartment.

Yes another american example (cannot help it they are the worst).

There is no male equivalent of this woman.

This will piss people off probably but like 75% of the time when a woman says 'I just get along with guys better' it's because they're surrounded by men that act nice because they're attracted to them.

I also feel sorry for boys and men today. It seems men are always the guilty party. So much more sympathy for women than men. So much focus on improving chances for women whilst ignoring male needs. Think we're at a turning point where now men are starting to find this unbalance unfair and are fighting back. I'm female and I hope things improve in the future for my sons sake.

I think this sums it up. Lower expectations means less disappointment

Stating a self-evident fact does not make me a sexist.

Ok stay sexist!

It is also absolutely not the job of single women to attempt to seduce married men. Doesn’t stop ‘em doing it though, does it?

Yip, this. That spitting man is someone's treasured son, that pissing oaf is someone's hard working husband. But objectively, this is vile behaviour.