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To think all MNers hate men?

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Corriganscans · 21/06/2025 12:49

I’m a lesbian so I don’t date men and I like women both to have relationships with and as a species! I’m a feminist and share some of the views on men that seem to be very prevalent on MN. I don’t hate men though. I actually feel a bit sorry for boys and young men today growing up in a world that is very critical of them (a view which I’ll probably get flamed for which’ll further prove my point!) I struggle to understand some of the clear contempt and, often what appears to be hatred of men from straight women on here. How do you date/fancy/fall in love with them if you have such negative views of them? Or is it just that every single woman with these views just happens to have one of the good ones? I doubt it. Isn’t it not that different to a misogynistic straight man who hates women but is happy to date them (thereby pretty much objectifying them for their own needs)??

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thestudio · 21/06/2025 17:08

RichHolidayPoorHoliday · 21/06/2025 16:34

On MN, yes, a lot of posters hate men.

In real life, no.😂

In real life, lots of people are playing a part and know the risks of not doing so. Or they've convinced themselves not to look too closely at male behaviour, because it will bring trouble to their door.

thestudio · 21/06/2025 16:55

Boomer55 · 21/06/2025 16:33

Most men, although not all, are just normal lovely people.👍

Most women, although not all, are just normal lovely people.👍

But the standard for being 'normal lovely people' where men are concerned includes 'will allow a woman to do all the shitwork that makes living nice'.

Looked at through a similar lens that we might look at race, for example, that is not lovely.

It is certainly normal, though. I don't know a single man in my liberal-lefty circle who actually does his fair share of the shitwork. All of them have Really Good Reasons why that's the case, and usually it's:

I work in a normal graduate middle-class job that I take at a leisurely pace while adding lots of drama, so it looks like I work in a high stress/long hours environment.

The women who do his job will have motored through to be back to pick up from after-school club.

The other men who do his job will conspire to make it look like those women are sacking off, when they are actually they not only motoring through but also making it possible for their own exploitative man to stretch out his work to just long enough that they don't have to adult.

These are not, when you step back and force yourself to see things as a visitor from another planet would, 'normal lovely people'. They're shits.

Jackiepumpkinhead · 21/06/2025 16:49

ToadRage · 21/06/2025 13:04

I think a lot of women on here and everywhere really have unrealistic expectations of men. They are less complex than us and some women expect them to be mind readers and think the same way as us and its just not possible. I'm not saying all men are bad or rude or stupid they are just wired differently to us. Men can be great, i love my husband more than life itself but i do not expect too much from him.

Why do you not expect ‘too much from him’? Bizarre comment.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/06/2025 16:48

thestudio · 21/06/2025 16:46

You must know he is an outlier.

Mine does too and we BOTH know he’s an outlier. And I do most of the emotional labour with childcare. The endless talking about friends and worries and dreams and everything. But he recognises that as effort. We both work full-time.

Sometimes I wander over, tell him I love him, give him a kiss or hug and he says, “is some bloke being a wanker in MN?” Yes DH, yes he is.

PizzaForBreakfast · 21/06/2025 16:46

I don’t like men and I let my husband know about it loud and clear. He doesn’t get away with anything and my daughters are raised to know that it’s better single than in shit, selfish company. One of these generations will have to get it right and put a stop to their childish behaviour. Trying to get out of doing your share of work in a household and child rearing is childish. Not being a good partner and going out for hours to enjoy your hobby while your partner is at home ill with a small baby because it’s more fun is childish. Not controlling your emotions and creating havoc in the world with violence, greed, corruption and entitlement is also childish. Grow the fuck up.

thestudio · 21/06/2025 16:46

Copernicus321 · 21/06/2025 16:40

Mine does all the cleaning, washing, shopping, cooking and mows the lawn. He won't let anyone use the dishwasher so he does all the washing up. I do the ironing. I think you'll find its the bad ones that are the subject of the MN threads, the better just don't get commented on. Having said that, their brains are wired differently, that's for sure.

You must know he is an outlier.

thestudio · 21/06/2025 16:45

jannier · 21/06/2025 15:28

So why do so many women allow it? That's what I don't get before kids do they put up with it, is it 50:50 or is it on mat leave?

If you're not already quite a hawkish feminist, lots of male behaviours/attitudes are hidden - or at least, capable of being looked past - until you have small children, at which point the male tendency to treat women like packhorses that you can fuck becomes apparent.

Most of the women here saying 'hold on, mine is great!' are looking at those men through patriarchy-tinted spectacles.

The percentage of men who truly, seriously, intentionally do 50% of what is required to bring a child to psychological and physiological maturity in a home which is clean and calm is in the low single figures.

The rest - regardless of whether they are liberal or laddish - are exploitative (and let's remember, exploitation is fundamentally abusive) cunts to varying degrees.

Copernicus321 · 21/06/2025 16:40

Mine does all the cleaning, washing, shopping, cooking and mows the lawn. He won't let anyone use the dishwasher so he does all the washing up. I do the ironing. I think you'll find its the bad ones that are the subject of the MN threads, the better just don't get commented on. Having said that, their brains are wired differently, that's for sure.

Disturbia81 · 21/06/2025 16:38

I don’t hate men and actually loved raising my boys and there are so many good guys out there.

But bad shit in the world is 99% perpetrated by men and that’s what I’m sick of.
from the seriously terrible things like murder, rape, paedophilia, human trafficking, domestic abuse, selling drugs etc to stealing stuff, speeding, racing, antisocial behaviour, sexual harassment etc etc

AMurderofMurderingCrows · 21/06/2025 16:35

ChessorBuckaroo · 21/06/2025 16:02

To broaden this out a bit, men are funnier, and not because of some comic gene they have. They are funnier because they are more laid back, less uptight.

A funny woman is as rare as hen's teeth.

Women are sterner, more serious, hence your most hated teacher will in all likelihood be a woman (my worst in primary school was in P2, worst in grammar school was first year, both snappy women).

Pishflaps!

RichHolidayPoorHoliday · 21/06/2025 16:34

On MN, yes, a lot of posters hate men.

In real life, no.😂

Boomer55 · 21/06/2025 16:33

dietmonkey · 21/06/2025 13:20

I don't hate men. My DH is lovely, and so is my son. True gents. BUT....I do have issue, with the fact that men are the cause of most of the world's problems. They commit 98% of violent crimes. They start wars. Look at Khamenei, Netanyahu and Putin. Three stupid men, hell bent on violence, I could bang their heads together. And these are old men, who should be wiser. I think there would be more peace if all nations had female leaders.

Most men, although not all, are just normal lovely people.👍

Most women, although not all, are just normal lovely people.👍

AMurderofMurderingCrows · 21/06/2025 16:32

I like to think I'm a fair person so I hate men, women and children 🤣

GonnaeNoDaeThatJustGonnaeNo · 21/06/2025 16:30

There are very few men I hate as most of those I know are great.

Bridport · 21/06/2025 16:28

Floogal · 21/06/2025 16:20

French and Saunders stopped being funny after 2 series.

Well they made another 4 series after (plus both have written hugely successful books and written and appeared in dozens of other hit TV comedies and films since then) so obviously not everyone thought so.

darksacrednight · 21/06/2025 16:24

I think a lot of mumsnetters hate men. And god forbid if you should show any admiration for your husband or any interest in what he thinks about anything. It’s a nest of vipers.

Floogal · 21/06/2025 16:20

Bridport · 21/06/2025 16:12

A funny woman is as rare as hen's teeth.

Or perhaps you have no sense of humour ChessorBuckaroo,

Victoria Wood
Kathy Burke
Meera Syal
Jessica Gunning
Miranda Hart
Julie Walters
Jennifer Saunders
Caroline Ahern
Dawn French
Tracey Ullman
Jo Brand
Catherine Tate
Diana Morgan
Joyce Grenfell
Pam Ayres
Jenny Eclair
Daisy May Cooper
Helen Lederer
Phoebe Waller-Bridge
Joanna Lumley
Carla Lane

French and Saunders stopped being funny after 2 series.

Floogal · 21/06/2025 16:19

I think a lot of it is people confuse feminism with misandry. Especially the so called feminists.

It does also seem Mumsnet hates people, especially men with Autism or mental health problems, people on low wages and fat people

OutsideLookingOut · 21/06/2025 16:17

Do you think men hate women? Imagine if they faced the same level of abuse from women as women do from men? Imagine if we had an entire country where men were forbidden from talking outside of the home? Can you imagine how men might feel even if they didn't live in that country? I think not as many women actually hate men when they have many justifiable reasons for doing so. I think many men hate women though.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/06/2025 16:13

ChessorBuckaroo · 21/06/2025 16:02

To broaden this out a bit, men are funnier, and not because of some comic gene they have. They are funnier because they are more laid back, less uptight.

A funny woman is as rare as hen's teeth.

Women are sterner, more serious, hence your most hated teacher will in all likelihood be a woman (my worst in primary school was in P2, worst in grammar school was first year, both snappy women).

A real time example of why some women hate some men. Self-owned.

Bridport · 21/06/2025 16:12

A funny woman is as rare as hen's teeth.

Or perhaps you have no sense of humour ChessorBuckaroo,

Victoria Wood
Kathy Burke
Meera Syal
Jessica Gunning
Miranda Hart
Julie Walters
Jennifer Saunders
Caroline Ahern
Dawn French
Tracey Ullman
Jo Brand
Catherine Tate
Diana Morgan
Joyce Grenfell
Pam Ayres
Jenny Eclair
Daisy May Cooper
Helen Lederer
Phoebe Waller-Bridge
Joanna Lumley
Carla Lane

ChessorBuckaroo · 21/06/2025 16:02

To broaden this out a bit, men are funnier, and not because of some comic gene they have. They are funnier because they are more laid back, less uptight.

A funny woman is as rare as hen's teeth.

Women are sterner, more serious, hence your most hated teacher will in all likelihood be a woman (my worst in primary school was in P2, worst in grammar school was first year, both snappy women).

Gettingbysomehow · 21/06/2025 15:57

I'm not hugely keen on them. My husbands were awful, started off fine then degenerated once we were married.
I find if you don't have something sexual to offer hetero men then they have zero interest in you as a person.
My friends are all women and gay men.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 21/06/2025 15:51

MorrisZapp · 21/06/2025 15:42

Are you trying to find moral virtue in shagging opportunistically and without discrimination instead of wanting to be married?

No.

EscapeToSuffolk · 21/06/2025 15:43

Generally.

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