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Futurehappiness · 21/06/2025 09:39

We have them at work. They are the only kind....no female toilets option.

Single fully enclosed cubicles in a row. They are claustrophobic & can be very smelly. I actually don't feel they are all that safe; what if somebody was taken ill & fainted in one? Nobody would know.....at least in ladies toilets there is a gap at the top/bottom and people coming and going, that just feels a lot safer to me.

I don't know why I mind when I am going to the loo and see a man coming in/out of a cubicle but I do. The toilets do get dirty & smelly because many people don't clean up after themselves properly, I am sure they are worse than ladies' ones.

I don't know why it is a thing for so many people to try to force/rattle the door when not sure whether a cubicle is occupied, risking breaking the (flimsy, often broken) locks - I am sure it is worse too than in ladies' toilets. What is wrong with knocking, or gently trying the door? Why would people not be specially conscious of not invading others' privacy in mixed loos? And of course in a mixed toilet there is a risk here of a bloke bursting in when you are on the toilet.

I am realising that I am actually trying to avoid needing to go to the loo at work. By not drinking too much water (even in this hot weather) or holding on until I get home. This is all new to me to feel this way, but I would feel awkward to complain, wouldn't know how to present the complaint, and don't know if I would be taken seriously or labelled as a troublemaker.

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Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 15:04

taptaroundtheworld · 21/06/2025 14:31

We have both. the unisex ones are much cleaner than the “ladies”. The “ladies” seem to think flushing is optional and toilet paper is floor decoration. Never been in the “gents”, but apparently its similar.
All are on the same cleaning frequency.
None of that in that unisex ones, they are spotless.
Gender specific toilets do seem to attract the more unpleasant people, unisex people who are more aware.

I have never heard of it that way round before. It’s been scientifically studied and it’s never been the conclusion that mixed sex is safer or cleaner.
Can you tell me where this anomaly is?

Sabire9 · 21/06/2025 14:39

lifeturnsonadime · 21/06/2025 11:48

It's amazing how many women will totally ignore graphics like this, about child safety, because they've been conditioned to put the wishes of a tiny minority of vocal men first!

Keep up your good work with this, safety should always come first.

Do these statistics include girls being attacked by transgender girls in single sex toilets at school?

taptaroundtheworld · 21/06/2025 14:31

We have both. the unisex ones are much cleaner than the “ladies”. The “ladies” seem to think flushing is optional and toilet paper is floor decoration. Never been in the “gents”, but apparently its similar.
All are on the same cleaning frequency.
None of that in that unisex ones, they are spotless.
Gender specific toilets do seem to attract the more unpleasant people, unisex people who are more aware.

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 14:16

Mochudubh · 21/06/2025 13:28

Thanks @Keeptoiletssafe

It's a large building comprising several inter-connected blocks and there are several"traditional" single-sex toilets available, just not on the ground and first floors of the main block. I don't know if that still contravenes regulations.

I appreciate your point (and all the work you're putting into this) but I've only been there 3 months and don't want to "mark my card" while I'm still on probation.

That's not to say I won't keep my powder dry for a later date.

Edited to add, I'm not sure if you mean my previous employer's new build didn't conform. The nearest "traditional" set up there was in different buildings altogether. Also this is in Scotland, if that makes a difference. (I'm sure the SNP ScotGov would love it just to be a free-for-all).

Edited

If they are currently in the process of changing them you could say that it would save money to have them done to building regs standards and health and safety standards. If there were any incidents in the future it is the employer who is held liable. Your boss probably may think differently if he realised he is responsible.

Yes in Scotland it does make a difference. I believe British Standards are still applicable though. And the 1992 Act is too.
See this which may also help @Futurehappiness too:
https://www.theretailbulletin.com/retail-solutions/legal-do-retailers-have-to-provide-single-sex-toilets-and-changing-rooms-for-their-customers-and-staff-19-05-2025/

Do retailers need to provide single-sex toilets and changing rooms? | Retail Bulletin

by Joanne Moseley, an employment law expert at Irwin Mitchell. Last month the Supreme Court decided that sex in the Equality Act 2010 refers to biological sex. Accordingly, when it refers to men, it means a person born male and when it refers to a woma...

https://www.theretailbulletin.com/retail-solutions/legal-do-retailers-have-to-provide-single-sex-toilets-and-changing-rooms-for-their-customers-and-staff-19-05-2025/

SaintNoMountainHighEnough · 21/06/2025 14:01

Simonjt · 21/06/2025 13:33

The disabled toilet, so a mixed sex toilet, so the same facility just with added accessible features.

But, fundamentally lockable away from the opposite gender.

HelenCurlyBrown · 21/06/2025 13:49

They don’t bother me, but I respect that some hate them.

LightDrizzle · 21/06/2025 13:44

I didn’t realise that men’s piss smells much more strongly than women’s until gender neutral loos came along. My first experience was in the NPG or the Wallace Collection, I can’t remember which and at first sight I thought “How civilised!” I changed my mind at first sniff. Mine wasn’t filthy but there must have been drops on the floor. Subsequent experience suggested it wasn’t a one off.

TonTonMacoute · 21/06/2025 13:37

I realised recently that I have never worked in a place that didn't have mixed sex loos. I never found it odd or a problem. Having said that I always worked for smallish companies, and in buildings that were usually old houses (in one case, it was the boss's actual house).

I'm not saying this to invalidate anyone's concerns, but frankly no shared loos are wonderful and you want to spend as little time in them as possible.

marchmash · 21/06/2025 13:35

For me, the ladies loo is a kind of sanctuary. I do not want men in there! It is a slightly intimate space. I would not want male colleagues hearing me wee or seeing me at the sink putting on lipstick. It is just for me, a boundaried space. Thank God here in Germany many men wee sitting down, but men's loos still feel gross. Same with changing rooms. Maybe a minority opinion. we have one mixed sex loo at work and I just avoid it and hope to god they don't increase this. I don't like it anywhere.

Simonjt · 21/06/2025 13:33

SaintNoMountainHighEnough · 21/06/2025 10:12

As a man. I hate them. We have a set at our school and I cannot.... I just cannot. I use the disabled loo next door instead.

The disabled toilet, so a mixed sex toilet, so the same facility just with added accessible features.

Mochudubh · 21/06/2025 13:28

Thanks @Keeptoiletssafe

It's a large building comprising several inter-connected blocks and there are several"traditional" single-sex toilets available, just not on the ground and first floors of the main block. I don't know if that still contravenes regulations.

I appreciate your point (and all the work you're putting into this) but I've only been there 3 months and don't want to "mark my card" while I'm still on probation.

That's not to say I won't keep my powder dry for a later date.

Edited to add, I'm not sure if you mean my previous employer's new build didn't conform. The nearest "traditional" set up there was in different buildings altogether. Also this is in Scotland, if that makes a difference. (I'm sure the SNP ScotGov would love it just to be a free-for-all).

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 13:15

Mochudubh · 21/06/2025 12:54

Sorry, this is going to be long.

My employer is currently in the process of converting both the male and female toilets on the ground and first floors of the main block to mixed sex. So removing six female cubicles with 7 sinks and 4 had driers and guessing around 6 urinals, 3 cubicles, 4/5 sinks and 4 hand driers from the men's. I assume these will be replaced with just 4 mixed sex, fully enclosed rooms as I doubt there is room for more in the existing space. So a loss of at least 5 cubicles before we even consider urinals and sinks.

In my previous workplace (newly built) all the toilets, both staff and clients/public were self-contained single occupancy. I always felt slightly queasy at the thought of sitting on a toilet still warm from my male boss's arse (or any other part that may have touched it) so preferred to use one of the public ones on the floor below. These were often rank, not infrequently someone had obviously pissed in the corner rather than use the pan.

The red/green indicator on the doors were so small that it was impossible to tell if they were occupied without bending down and squinting, (not dodgy looking at all) or physically trying the door.

There was no way of knowing who, if anyone, was waiting outside. Another reason I didn't use the staff ones, if I've just spent 15 mins trying either to pass a stool the size of a pineapple or with explosive diarrhoea I don't want to emerge to come face to face with my boss or another colleague. There may also be occasions where you jus need a few minutes to collect yourself with no-one in your face.

One of the advantages of the traditional row of cubicles is that you know you're not holding anyone else up and there's a high enough "turnover" in the other cubicles that you can "wait it out" till no-one knows how long you've been in there or who was making the noise/smell.

Back to my current employer. There was a consultation on changing the toilets before I started so obviously I missed the boat to respond but apparently the results were about 50% of respondents felt either "uncomfortable" or "very uncomfortable" with the idea of mixed sex toilets, about 30% felt "comfortable" or "very comfortable" with the rest either neutral or undecided. The employer decided to go ahead anyway. Given the timescales, I doubt if this was in response to the SC judgement, but must have been in the pipeline already.

I'm still in my probationary period so won't be raising my head above the parapet on this one, but neither will I be using the new toilets. I'll either go up a couple of floors or to the other block and many of my colleagues have said the same.

These don’t comply with building regulations or Health and Safety at work (1992).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/toilet-accommodation-approved-document-t

Toilet accommodation: Approved Document T

Building regulation in England to provide guidance on the design and layout of universal toilets, ambulant toilets and toilet cubicles.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/toilet-accommodation-approved-document-t

Sparklesandbananas · 21/06/2025 13:10

Female only toilets in my experience have been cleaner and don’t have a horrid putrid smell that men’s loos seem to have. The toilet seat is clean and not covered in piss. Men that piss on seats and leave it there need to understand that women sit on the seat to use the loo. Don’t be inconsiderate!!! Women need our own personal space end of. I hate going into the mixed loos now. I don’t feel comfortable either with males using the same area who are strangers to me.

StrawberrySquash · 21/06/2025 13:01

I think they are a useful additional thing to have in a large building where there is the space to do so. (Or in a very small place where there's only one loo).

But they are terribly inefficient in terms of space and reducing queues. So anywhere busy you want most loos to be the old style setup. Then someone can be in the cubicle while you wash your hands, sort makeup etc. And in certain places there is a camaraderie in the ladies loos. You will never have that with enclosed rooms. But having a few of those is useful in terms of dealing with difficult periods, small children or a terrible case of the farts.

ladyofshertonabbas · 21/06/2025 12:57

This needs raising- initially as a cleanliness and smell issue. Sounds disgusting.

Mochudubh · 21/06/2025 12:54

Sorry, this is going to be long.

My employer is currently in the process of converting both the male and female toilets on the ground and first floors of the main block to mixed sex. So removing six female cubicles with 7 sinks and 4 had driers and guessing around 6 urinals, 3 cubicles, 4/5 sinks and 4 hand driers from the men's. I assume these will be replaced with just 4 mixed sex, fully enclosed rooms as I doubt there is room for more in the existing space. So a loss of at least 5 cubicles before we even consider urinals and sinks.

In my previous workplace (newly built) all the toilets, both staff and clients/public were self-contained single occupancy. I always felt slightly queasy at the thought of sitting on a toilet still warm from my male boss's arse (or any other part that may have touched it) so preferred to use one of the public ones on the floor below. These were often rank, not infrequently someone had obviously pissed in the corner rather than use the pan.

The red/green indicator on the doors were so small that it was impossible to tell if they were occupied without bending down and squinting, (not dodgy looking at all) or physically trying the door.

There was no way of knowing who, if anyone, was waiting outside. Another reason I didn't use the staff ones, if I've just spent 15 mins trying either to pass a stool the size of a pineapple or with explosive diarrhoea I don't want to emerge to come face to face with my boss or another colleague. There may also be occasions where you jus need a few minutes to collect yourself with no-one in your face.

One of the advantages of the traditional row of cubicles is that you know you're not holding anyone else up and there's a high enough "turnover" in the other cubicles that you can "wait it out" till no-one knows how long you've been in there or who was making the noise/smell.

Back to my current employer. There was a consultation on changing the toilets before I started so obviously I missed the boat to respond but apparently the results were about 50% of respondents felt either "uncomfortable" or "very uncomfortable" with the idea of mixed sex toilets, about 30% felt "comfortable" or "very comfortable" with the rest either neutral or undecided. The employer decided to go ahead anyway. Given the timescales, I doubt if this was in response to the SC judgement, but must have been in the pipeline already.

I'm still in my probationary period so won't be raising my head above the parapet on this one, but neither will I be using the new toilets. I'll either go up a couple of floors or to the other block and many of my colleagues have said the same.

EvelynBeatrice · 21/06/2025 12:32

Can you take one over as the ‘ladies loo’ by stealth and practice? Make sure is enormous basket of San pro , hairsprays, perfume, tights. Add nice hand wash, soaps etc. Agree with other women to adopt a shocked look when you see a bloke come out of it. Instead of wee on seat , always leave blood in pan (😖).

Although there may be pervy or misogynist men who like transgressing and get a kick out of this.

Another tactic is just to ask employer. If they demur ask how often they’re checking for cameras?

tripleginandtonic · 21/06/2025 12:21

Let your bosses know what you'd prefer. I don't see why some cubicles can't be labelled male/female.

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 12:18

greengreyblue · 21/06/2025 12:06

Nobody objects to chn using female loos with their mother.

You would have thought not but that’s a reason prominent lawyers have said we shouldn’t have single sex loos.

greengreyblue · 21/06/2025 12:06

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/06/2025 11:44

I quite like the option of them when I’m going places with my DS but there are no children at work, and they shouldn’t be the only option unless space is at a premium .

Nobody objects to chn using female loos with their mother.

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 11:56

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/06/2025 11:44

I quite like the option of them when I’m going places with my DS but there are no children at work, and they shouldn’t be the only option unless space is at a premium .

I never thought much about this before I started researching toilet safety. Now I realise this can be abused. Why should a mixed sex adult-child combination have more privacy than a same sex adult-child combination?

Unfortunately the privacy in toilets (includes disabled toilets btw) has led to some horrific incidents with children in very public places.

I think children should be able to accompany their parents into toilet blocks up until a certain age. I thought 8 was standard but the government are indicating 10.

Ncfo · 21/06/2025 11:49

I love them! But I get terrible periods and also have a medical issue that means sometimes I need to poo when out and I’m so self conscious so I feel so much better when in one of these types. I accept not everyone does though.

lifeturnsonadime · 21/06/2025 11:48

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 11:08

I have done a lot of research on school toilets (they have been the ‘canaries in the coal mine’ for mixed sex toilets). The results are unsafe, unhygienic and probably discriminate against girls and the medically vulnerable. The Department of Education hold no risk assessments on their enclosed designs.

It's amazing how many women will totally ignore graphics like this, about child safety, because they've been conditioned to put the wishes of a tiny minority of vocal men first!

Keep up your good work with this, safety should always come first.

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/06/2025 11:44

bumblingbovine49 · 21/06/2025 11:17

I actually prefer them and go upstairs to use them at work in preference to the single sex female ones that are available on my floor. I hadn't thought about the safety issue and on this you have a pointi think. From a purely personal point of view however, I like the extra privacy they provide.

However , we have loads of different sorts of toilets at work ( a university) so there are never any queues or many people at all outside them. I was at an event at the weekend where there were only a few mixed sex individual toilets and I found I did not like waiting for the toilets with men in the queue.

I am sure many people would not mind but I am older and am not used to men in my space when using a toile, so found it very uncomfortable, So much so, that I waited until the break was over and the queues had disappeared before using the loo, which made me late back to the event . I only make that point as I was somewhat surprised at my visceral discomfort at having to queue along side men to use the loo, especially since I use these types of toilets at work with no issue.

Because the regulations say mixed sex loos need sinks and dryers inside them, this means queues get longer as everyone takes more time. With just loos in the cubicle, and a single sex queuing area outside the cubicle, it means you have to have the door gaps which increase ventilation and also stop people doing things in the cubicle which take up more time (washing, drying hands and preening being the most obvious but there’s allsorts others get upto).

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/06/2025 11:44

greengreyblue · 21/06/2025 11:40

Why do you prefer them?

I quite like the option of them when I’m going places with my DS but there are no children at work, and they shouldn’t be the only option unless space is at a premium .

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