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Genuinely upset at this wildflower destruction

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pelargoniums · 21/06/2025 07:20

Live in a loooooong terrace that backs on to another similarly long terrace, with a twitten between the streets. All the gardens have a gate onto the twitten for access, but no one uses it for actual access: at one end, street access is bricked up; at the other, it’s so far from most of the houses and emerges on the road with nightmare parking so even if you clear your garden, you get the lads to go through the house because big work trucks can’t get down that road. Plus every spring it becomes impenetrable with overgrown plants and wildlife.

Most of my neighbours keep a compost bin, leaf mould, narrow tool storage etc out there. A general “live and let live” attitude prevails so if you put a tool store out, you stagger it against your opposite neighbour’s so everyone can have space.

And it’s lovely! Behind ours I have compost and leaf mould, plus wildflowers naturally – I’ve never planted anything but there was six foot tall cow parsley, green alkanet, bluebells, loads of things I can’t identify. DC spend a lot of time there bug hunting, it attracts loads of butterflies – the caterpillarfest in spring was amazing – birds, field mice.

The neighbours opposite have razed the lot. Not only on “their” side but mine. They don’t garden, theirs is fully paved. No reason to do this – they can’t get out through a bricked wall and they’ve left the next space along alone, which is solidly rose/bramble/thicket. A whole mini habitat gone. Now it’s just bare earth for the neighbourhood cats to poo in.

AIBU to be gutted but more importantly, how to respond?! I’d love to do a line of pleached trees in the twitten to block them from my sight but they’d only chop them down I think, and also £££. More wildflowers, obviously. While the land is bare the kids want to paint a mural on the wall saying Save Our Wildflowers & Our Planet (because I suggested it to them 😂) and paint butterflies, ladybirds, bees. Or something permanent/evergreen and purposeful on my side that won’t encroach over their half of the space, but is clearly meant to be there – as they obviously felt the natural aspect of the wildflowers was too much nature – but still pollinator-friendly. Japanese hogweed? 😈

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pelargoniums · 22/06/2025 08:12

On a cow parsley note there’s something that looks identical on the council-owned triangular verge at the end of the road – will go and look later to identify it and look for purple bits on the stems.

I’ve cheered up a bit about our patch of the twitten – next door’s bit still looks like this, and I’ve got the chance to explore planting some of the flowers one of the early posters mentioned. A new gardening project! Haven’t finished all of the old gardening projects.

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pelargoniums · 22/06/2025 08:04

Lots of food for thought here! Thanks everyone. Especially the side chat about different names for twitten 🩷

Fire escape wise it didn’t even occur to me – our last house was a terrace in London back to back with other terraces, no twitten/jitty/ginnel. I’d do what we’d do there: hop the wall to my neighbour’s garden. One more wall over is end of terrace and escape.

Most neighbours have very wild and wildlife-friendly gardens, I’m not the harbinger of weeds. I started our garden just a year ago from nothing, it was entirely paved before. Any “weeds” I have are blown in. Apart from the daisies and buttercups and such in the lawn: a kind neighbour dug up clumps of things from his grass and we transplanted in. And the wildflowers in our bit of the twitten probably easier to run through than the patch next door which has some kind of tree growing…

I think a bug hotel, pots, hedgehog home and bird feeders is the way to go: keep it looking intentional and structurally slim against my wall, but planted up with lots of pollinator-friendly things.

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Swoopingswift · 22/06/2025 00:15

LIZS · 21/06/2025 12:17

Bindweed? Very invasive.

Actually bindweed is a UK wildflower and very beneficial to wildlife and provides food for pollinators. Yes it does spread easily and is often unwelcome in planted gardens, but the RHS says if you have a wild planted area it’s fine to leave it.

(Unlike non-native invasive species like Japanese knotweed for example which does need to be removed).

https://www.rhs.org.uk/weeds/bindweed

Bindweed / RHS

Bindweed / RHS

Hedge bindweed and field bindweed are both UK native wildflowers. They are beneficial to wildlife, with attractive white and pink funnel-shaped flowers. However, they are often unwelcome in gardens due to their spreading roots and twining stems.

https://www.rhs.org.uk/weeds/bindweed

Swoopingswift · 22/06/2025 00:04

Disturbia81 · 21/06/2025 23:51

I’m one of the only ones on my street who still has a garden full of nature, so many people love the sterile look now

Same here, more and more front gardens on my street are completely paved. it’s so sterile.
Mine is all planted up and wild looking, I love seeing the birds in the tree and the insects on the flowers. Plus it helps my house stay cooler in hot weather.

Swoopingswift · 22/06/2025 00:00

OP I would be really upset too. I hate seeing unnecessary destruction of nature like that. I think a lot of people don’t understand that wildflowers and native ‘weeds’ aren’t a bad thing and just assume they all need to be chopped down without realising how important they are to the ecosystem.

I think you could put some pots out there and plant them with wildflowers so it’s more obvious that it’s deliberate. You could put up a bee / bug hotel, a bee / butterfly bath etc. Your DCs could make a ‘bug hotel’ sign. So not as brazen as painting the whole fence.

I remember we had two lovely trees on the road outside our house and the council had to chop them down as they were diseased. DD cried when she saw the stump! The road looked so bare.
One neighbour came up to excitedly tell me how great it was the tree outside their house had finally gone as they were fed up with leaves on their car.

Well yes that’s true, but I am sure you will also be moaning about how hot the city gets in summer / how you don’t get so many birds or butterflies in the garden any more / how bad the pollution is etc.

Anyway we helped pay for a new street tree to be planted and the DC helped water it (every week for at least 2 years) so something positive came from it.

Disturbia81 · 21/06/2025 23:51

I’m one of the only ones on my street who still has a garden full of nature, so many people love the sterile look now

EsmaCannonball · 21/06/2025 23:47

About 18 months ago we had someone dog rough but unaware of it move in nearby. She's all plastic lawn and decking and gravel and even has plastic plants and plastic flowers in the garden. That would be bad enough, but her prerogative; however, she moans about everyone who has actual plants and grass and trees in their garden. Gardens with a bit of nature in them are messy and unclean and attract birds (evil!) and vermin, apparently. (Although, I'm inclined to think that any vermin are more likely to be attracted by her munching crisps as she chainsmokes out the front in her dressing gown, myself.) One of my neighbours has the most beautiful fairytale front garden with a big tree and wildflowers and weathered Edwardian urns and benches to go with the house, and she hates it. There seems to be this modern trend for outdoor spaces to be horribly sterile and controlled.

PickAChew · 21/06/2025 23:02

U53rn8m3ch8ng3 · 21/06/2025 08:12

A ginnel! Never heard of that either! It's just an alleyway or maybe path or passage to me

Vennel, here. Tenfoot where I grew up.

toadinthebucket · 21/06/2025 22:52

Evolutionarygoals · 21/06/2025 20:49

Just sneaking in to add the word 'vennel' to the thesaurus we're compiling. Scottish word which I know from East Lothian (I don't know how widespread it is)

Twitchell, ginnel or jitty here in Notts.

UnctuousUnicorns · 21/06/2025 22:27

@crackofdoom Well said. Human centric ignorance at its worst.

crackofdoom · 21/06/2025 21:52

ZoeCM · 21/06/2025 21:39

I would be devastated if I were you OP, fucking devastated

😄They're just weeds!

You're showing yourself up with your ignorance there.

I challenge you to get a wildflower guide and start identifying these "weeds". You'll find there can be dozens of species of beautiful wildflowers growing in a tiny urban space. And then you can start looking up all the insects that rely on these "weeds". (Just as one example- hate nettles? Well, we wouldn't have beautiful tortoiseshell butterflies without them).

And in your researches, you might hear tell of something called "catastrophic insect decline", and the impact that that is having on beautiful birds like swifts, mammals like bats, and- ultimately- on our food supply.

Or maybe you'll just spray the glyphosate around your sterile garden again and moan about food prices going up....🙄

ZoeCM · 21/06/2025 21:39

I would be devastated if I were you OP, fucking devastated

😄They're just weeds!

paulhollywoodshairgel · 21/06/2025 21:34

What a shame 😞 But.. I love the word twitten ❤️

worrieddaughterr · 21/06/2025 21:28

West Midlands here and we say gulley, alley, or rat run

Alltheyellowbirds · 21/06/2025 21:22

crackofdoom · 21/06/2025 21:17

Do you genuinely think that giant hogweed burns you if you just touch it??

You need to make contact with the sap.

Which could easily happen if someone didn’t know what it was. It does happen, and people end up in hospital. So do animals for that matter. Anyway it’s likely not that so beside the point I suppose.

crackofdoom · 21/06/2025 21:20

We don't tend to have many back to back terraces in Cornwall, but a narrow alley here is called an ope.

UnctuousUnicorns · 21/06/2025 21:17

It was called an entry where I grew up in Birkenhead. You'd put your bin, which back then was cylindrical and usually metal, outside your backyard door on Bin Day, and the binmen would fetch them and carry them to the bin lorry. Of course, wheelie bins have put paid to all that.

crackofdoom · 21/06/2025 21:17

Alltheyellowbirds · 21/06/2025 20:19

Bit of difference between a plant that’s poisonous if you eat it and one that burns if you touch it, no?

Do you genuinely think that giant hogweed burns you if you just touch it??

You need to make contact with the sap.

DustyTangerine · 21/06/2025 21:16

spoonbillstretford · 21/06/2025 07:44

Cow parsley is still flowering here in Kent, and it's massive this year because of the weather conditions.

I’m in Kent - it’s not cow parsley. I was picking cow parsley for my horse so I have to know the difference so I don’t accidentally feed him hemlock or hogweed

Evolutionarygoals · 21/06/2025 20:49

Just sneaking in to add the word 'vennel' to the thesaurus we're compiling. Scottish word which I know from East Lothian (I don't know how widespread it is)

SomeKindOfMeh · 21/06/2025 20:31

A hedge around a run-down old house near me used to be alive with birds. Everytime you walked past it in the summer you’d be deafened by birdsong.

The house went up for sale. The new owners razed ALL all the hedges. (I’m sure it’s illegal to destroy a hedge full of nesting birds but they did it.) They removed anything green from the whole plot. They lived in the house for a month and then left.

I’m still upset.

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 21/06/2025 20:30

do you think these neighbours actually want to use 'their' side of the twitten/ ginnel/ vennel/ wynd (the last two are Scots words for similar things) in the same way as you/ others in the two streets (i.e. for a compost bin/ toolstore)? or for something else? or are just neat-freaks who can't abide to see somewhere looking 'messy'?

if they don't actually leave their garden and go out there very often, would they even notice if their gateway was erm locked from the outside?

AdoraBell · 21/06/2025 20:25

YANBU. Put some citrus fruit peel with eucalyptus oil on it in the area. That deters cats, without harming them. Their cat will find another area to poo.

Alltheyellowbirds · 21/06/2025 20:19

crackofdoom · 21/06/2025 19:43

If you leave it alone it's not going to harm you. Even if it was giant hogweed, which it doesn't look like from the photos. I'm lying in my van on a campsite right now surrounded by deadly poisonous plants (foxgloves), and given that I'm not intending to eat them I'm in no danger at all.

Bit of difference between a plant that’s poisonous if you eat it and one that burns if you touch it, no?

crackofdoom · 21/06/2025 19:43

ZoeCM · 21/06/2025 11:22

I'm surprised some people still think the neighbours did something wrong when the "cow parsley" may well have been poisonous.

If you leave it alone it's not going to harm you. Even if it was giant hogweed, which it doesn't look like from the photos. I'm lying in my van on a campsite right now surrounded by deadly poisonous plants (foxgloves), and given that I'm not intending to eat them I'm in no danger at all.

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