To miss the first lockdown?

Not directly.

But a culture where people quietly tolerated the restrictions or even as some did, wanted them to continue or be intensified did allow the conditions that hid abuse to continue for longer.

Pubs were opened up long before all children were expected in school. Not based on science, but because the government prioritised profit and civil unrest before education. Scientifically it was known that children were low risk by early summer and there could have been a choice to open schools up properly sooner. That would have improved the odds of intervening with abused children.

But while people of comfortable means were happy to keep children off, that enabled the government to create conditions that kept children off longer with no questions asked.

DS was newly diagnosed as autistic at the end of 2019. School's total contact with him from 23 March to early September was one phonecall. Anything could have happened and been long hidden away in that time.

Again, you cannot dispute what other people experienced! You won't there! You cannot decide that they cannot possibly have had a good time.

You can pop up that you had a shit time
you can complain that, on the whole, more people were badly affected
You can say whatever you want

but you cannot tell them not to post, and you cannot decide that everybody must be traumatised or lying when they said it was a positive for them.

Do we say you are lying about being affected today? Of course not. Your experience is as valid as they are, no one is pretending you are making it up. It's irrelevant and the wrong place for this tread, but still.

@LlynTegid indeed. Lockdown could have been much shorter, and far less damaging. And I think the fear messaging was a very bad move. I think it was a big mistake for the government to say “we will do whatever it takes to beat the virus”. It made easing restrictions politically impossible. I think the govt would have liked to open schools in June, but the public hysteria (which the government had ENCOURAGED) made it politically impossible.

And I've explained the basics as best I can.

I'm not questioning your intelligence, I was questioning your motivation, based on prior MN encounters with a similar style.

No offence intended.

Shall I explain MN discursive forum to you? Someone post pov, I legitimately can and will dispute & contest it.
I can and will dispute this as tone deaf. I fully expect others to take issue with my posts.
You literally have no idea what my Covid experience was as I haven’t disclosed it. I don’t discuss my Covid experience with my family or friends I can only discuss it fully with those who were actively there. It was traumatic. I remain affected

OP, I loved it too, except for the guilt of feeling so happy when others were really suffering.
I did realise at the time that if we got through it with no casualties in the family or our friends, that our experience would quite possibly be very rare, but my DS did lose his job and it has taken him a few years and a succession of absolutely awful jobs to find his feet in a job he loves now, so I suppose that would have been affected by by the Lockdown, too.
Having said that, I do wonder if the overall effect of those who had an awful time during the pandemic has overwhelmed the voices of those who didn’t - it’s natural to talk more about negative things that affect you, after all…

Not really, I had to work being a 'key worker'. It was nice taking DC to school though, there were only a few children in the whole school until people later cottoned on and found ways to get their DC in school doing subsequent lockdowns!

I don't miss not being able to get fresh food at the supermarkets. Pensioners were allowed first dibs but some unfairly were getting stuff for their wider family. And having to cook every time with limited ingredients, basically with all that was left on the shelves.

And it could be so isolating for those on their own.

I have enough friends who DIDN"T work from home who really enjoyed going to work, empty roads, quiet streets and they didn't lose on the social aspect either.

I have a friend who was getting bored and decided to start a delivery business. Made a lot of money! Travelled a lot. Good for him.

Of course a lot of people were largely unaffected, and some were positively affected. If you find it triggering, don't go on positive threads.

Well I'm sorry I'm not intelligent enough for you. I'm not going to ask a complicated in depth question on something where all I'm trying to do is understand the basics of what someone is saying.

Yeah sure it was lovely- we both worked as a key workers, trying to juggle work while kids stayed home and homeschooling while dealing with constant messages from teachers what we need to do and when she needed that back.

Glad it’s all over.

You are the one being tone-deaf coming on a thread where people discussed the positive impact it had on them.

Why do you think you can dispute their positive experience? We get it, yours was terrible. So? It doesn't mean everybody was the same. Someone having a good time has no impact whatsoever on your memories.

I guarantee you that your "negative" experience was anywhere near as bad as what others experienced in other countries.

Look, I'm fairly articulate, and I think I've done a fair job of explaining my reasoning for this particular subject under the lockdown umbrella.

The vibe I'm getting from you is reminiscent of the posters on the now demised "State of Fear" threads, where we just wanted to discuss a particular book and subjects that arose from that. There were a clutch of rather superior, oh so resigned yet patient posters, as you would be with a small child, who would pick pick pick at the most innocuous or simple question and try and get the person asking to either lose their temper, or out themselves as a 5G pigeon fancier.

I've come across the same tactic in real life from some in authoritative positions - the goal is to make you feel stupid at best, and as if you're losing your mind at even better in their books.

If you're not a bot, or AI itself, and you haven't looked into the things I've brought up, there's material out there, not much I grant you, but it's there. If you think I'm a paranoid nut job, fine, I've been regarded as worse. If you think there's no relevance to this thread, also fine, I on the other hand think analysis of lockdown is tied into the tech boom and it's interesting.

But honestly, the incessant one line questions are a bit - well - Skynet scraping forenemies of the state 😆

When I say there were plenty people not largely affected by lockdown I mean anyone who didnt lose a loved one, who didnt need the services you describe, the people who hated lockdown but didnt have any long term MH issues, the people who hated WFH, isolation etc but went back to normal once it all ended. Not everyone was badly affected by lockdown. Surely you must know plenty people who werent badly affected?

Largely unaffected?remote funerals. Care home closed. school and nursery closed.workplace places closed NHS critical alert
How exactly are you measuring affected?
Do you mean people at home on full wage whilst others did the heavy lifting and were exposed to the risks?

How were people happy to see others suffer? If you were someone lucky enough not to be badly affected - in what way could those individual people have stopped what was happening?

Just pointing out that it's not a case of people either having a great time or having a hellish time. It's very varied. So its not tone death as it was so different for everyone. It's not like everyone else suffered and not OP. Plenty people were largely unaffected by lockdown.

And of course there was the conspicuous look at me clapping for the nhs
Not so supportive when we requested a wage rise or took industrial action. complaints aplenty about the strikes

Thinking of of others whilst going through your own traumatic time is a quality second to none.
Sorry for your loss.

How would the OP not enjoying lockdown and being miserable throughout it have prevented all of that happening...it wouldn't have. To try and guilt trip her isn't fair. Horrible things happened but none of that is to do with the OP enjoying lockdown.

I am very sorry you had that horrible experience @WearyAuldWumman. Compassion and perspective seemed to fly out the window for two years.

The day after my husband died, I phoned round family and friends.

I recall one friend offered to let me sleep at her place that night, but said that I'd have to leave early in the morning so that the neighbours didn't see me. (She was already in a bubble with her daughter.)

I declined. Didn't want to get her into trouble.

Have you any idea what it's like to lose the love of your life and to be left in a house on your own for months on end?

I remember that I was allowed to go into the bank to sort out DH's affairs. I recollect that once her office door was closed, the manageress offered to give me a hug. I declined - didn't want to get her into trouble if anyone saw - but I'll never forget her kindness.

Same. Loved it, but don’t say so out loud, as so many had such a terrible time.

Some of you had a marvellous lock down because people on national minimum wage and people from BAME groups had to do the donkey work of care social care retail , transport and deliveries . Whilst other people were comfortably able to stay home on full wages at the same time ,whilst people NNW and low wage were putting themselves at risk to meet the needs of solvent mc at home.

Everything Bogroll said.

I do find it jarring when people post about what a wonderful time they had, because I spent the lockdown period trying to prevent myself and my daughter from having a nervous breakdown. Admitting at the time that you were struggling was an invitation to people on here to put the boot in, and I do remember some specific comments which still hurt to this day.

Lockdowns blew open the veneer that we had in anyway an ‘equal’ society. As witnessed in this thread. To facilitate your pleasant lockdown a huge number of fellow citizens were put under unbelievable pressure. The effects on society have been huge and will continue until some acknowledgment of this. Personally I can’t unsee what happened between the people who were allowed a good pandemic and those who weren’t. There are plenty of people in this country who were and are happy to see other people suffer as long as they’re ok. So yes people can say how positively they feel about lockdowns, it’s honest at least, but should recognise it’s in incredibly poor taste to do so given how terrible the experience was for others.