Wasting NHS resources

If the outcome of the bodged procedure is solely that the person doesn't look nice or looks different to how they want, then no, it's not an NHS matter..

If the surgery resulted in an actual illness or medical problems that could endanger someone's life untreated, then yes it is their job.

They can't just turn someone away to die. Once the problem relates to something more serious the initial surgeon wouldn't have the expertise or equipment to deal with it anyway.

People who use steroids, self harm, addicts, the obese- these people are unwell through lifestyle choices/MH issues but they are still unwell. And anyone unwell who's a British citizen is entitled to medical care on the NHS.

thats true, and a good point like redeeming a travel expense at work etc

Yep.
I am not against a system where you pay for an appointment, and if you actually turn up, it is refunded to you.

and they all add up wasted resources etc,

I think as long as the NHS works as it does now, it has to cover things like this.

I do think they should make it very clear to consumers of beauty treatments that they are not medicine and the results are very much at their own risk, if it leaves you looking strange or with a less functional face.

I do think we could make an argument that the NHS model leads to a tendency to take things for granted and people don't feel as they ought for their own decisions. And maybe a system where people need to pay in in various ways for some things would be better. There are civilised countries out there that are not like the US, but where people have somewhat more direct responsibility for their own care.

I think the medical beauty industry is something that needs to be looked at closely. I think it should really be quite separate from the medical system. So for example, they need to train their own practitioners, regulate them, doctors should not be able to provide treatments like that and remain practising doctors, etc.

I used to work in a kid's hospital, and in the out patients department they had the amount of missed appointments on full display on a board in the waiting room.
Hundreds every month.

i would charge those that miss appointments without a gen reason

Where do you draw the line? Drugs? Alcohol? Rugby injury? Injury from running? Obesity? Hiking accident?

I think as a society we need to start drawing some clear lines where the taxpayer shouldn't be responsible for peoples poor choices.

Surely this is a slippery slope, where would you draw the lines?

The NHS is there to help everyone, people who get botched surgery, take drugs, drive dangerously etc.

Plus many pay towards it.

I think if someone is in pain/has an infection/injury/whatever, then they should get treatment. It does not matter how they got to that state.
Do we really want to live in a place that will deny treatment to people based on how they sustained that injury? Leave them in pain etc.
A lot of people in A&E are there because of things they could have avoided if they had just sat and watched TV and did fuck all else. Injuries due to DIY are prevalent.

How do you draw the line? I run a lot, if I trip on a curb and tear my ACL do they refuse me treatment?
You could argue so many things that the NHS does that it “shouldn’t”.

Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone! This woman was poisoned because the treatment went wrong! Yes the NHS is there for her - just as it is for food poisoning or for rugby players who break their backs and drunks who fall down the stairs.

And as for type 2 diabetes or COPD - the sufferers have been productive and loved members of society. Do you just want them to drop dead? God, there are some heartless people out there!!

I’ve always worked and paid plenty of taxes so if I happen to arrive at hospital weighing a few pounds above the correct BMI then I still damned well expect to be treated! Maybe you could refuse treatment to non-taxpayers? But that would be cruel and heartless, wouldn’t it??

This is not botox that went wrong. It was fake botox, and she had it done thinking it was genuine. She absolutely should get NHS treatment.

I have a friend (who 100% deserved it and it increased her quality of life no end) who has breast augmentation on the NHS. Should she not get it? She has turned it all around with confidence and now works, ‘pays in’ and is less of a ‘burden on the tax payer’

It’s a slippery slope to say anything self inflicted isn’t covered.. a lot of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, not so prevalent or serious anymore thankfully, but AIDS..

let’s not treat any of them.

These people are idiots, and the NHS should not be correcting the cosmetic effects. However, if some fuckwit has effectively poisoned them, the NHS should indeed save their live. But I would make it not just the law but routine to go after private companies whose botch ups have cost the NHS money, to recover that money. Probably the most important group to go after would be overseas IVF companies who routinely put back more embryos than is safe, leaving the NHS providing neonatal intensive care to multiple premmies. Those costs should come from the clinics' profits. If I ruled the world... But no, we can't go round refusing emergency treatment to idiots, that would be unethical.

I'm not a fan of botox etc but she had the treatment in good faith. Hopefully the practitioner will be prosecuted.

Agree with others, so many injuries could be classed as self inflicted. You cannot refuse some treatment and not others.

What about type 2 diabetes? COPD? Vastly vastly more money spent on these than fixing botched Botox. (I’m playing devils advocate by the way before others kick off at me)

They were treated in a&e as they had botulism which can be fatal as it attacks nerves. I can kind of see your point (other than the where to draw the line) but this wasn't correcting a procedure or cosmetic, but saving their life. I think that people were unaware that there was an issue with the injections they were getting. There obviously needs to be work on tightening up the supply of botox so this doesn't keep hapenning.

Meh, far better to go after the providers of the injections. Having had the joy of last Saturday night in A&E, I'd say drink and drugs are a far bigger pressure on emergency services.

I see your point, but it's also a slippery slope... if I went for a run, fell and broke my arm... that's largely my fault.

So same approach for skiing accidents- a risky sport known for injuries, motorcyclists, hobby cyclists, horse riders, obese people, alcoholics, drug addicts, infection or injury due to piercings . Essentially any injury or illness caused by non essential choices that carry risk?