Wasting NHS resources

@logicisall you could just debate the below rather than tagging me in pointless posts. I won't hold my breath though!

"It's a false equivalancy to claim that choosing cosmetic enhancements is the same as choosing to play sports."

@Onescoopofmashplease I meant private A&Es here.

I like the French system. I'm half French & have used it many times. But I think the idea we can move the NHS to a system like France and it's all good is crazy. We need to spend a lot more on healthcare for one.

Once you start to decide who is worthy of health care it will be the start of its dismantling.

What if she had it done for medical reasons? I pay £450 for it to be injected into my jaw muscles to stop me clenching at night which was giving me terrible headaches and wearing my teeth away. 0% cosmetic improvement but has helped my headaches enormously (and I don't think an NHS dentist would do this).

Saying that she was foolish to think £100 for 3 areas and then some free botox (!!) Would be a good idea. £450 is what my dentist charges for cosmetic injections too, which is pretty standard I think if you get it from an actual expert.

@ittersbitters while the thread started with the newspaper article, the debate quite clearly expanded. Also, ad hominem attacks?

Only if we do the same with smokers, drinkers, druggies, overweight, people who dont exercise, people who dont take their medication as prescribed.....

It's a very slippery slope. I have to say I'd not be opposed to people who are smoking or obese paying more taxes as they are costing a hell of a lot more money than the odd dodgy botox

Where did I say it was private health insurance as that term is understood in the UK? It isn’t. And I agree you have to look at the entire tax system!

You didn't, however once you remove the private insurance bit to help reduce additional costs I don't see that much distinction between NI here and Social Security there. Of course there are differences in how much is raised & what it is actually spent on hence my point about the whole tax system.

The problem with injectables is the lack of regulation and training. Anyone can do a 1 day course and become an injector. They should tighten the regulation, to ensure only qualified medical professionals carry out this kind of cosmetic work, which would in turn reduce the number of times it goes wrong, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

If you start refusing treatment for things like this, where do you stop? Sports players who break bones? Smokers with cancer? Alcoholics who need their stomachs pumped? Women who chose to get pregnant? There has to be a line drawn somewhere - how do you pick where?

People always quote the American system as the only alternative and this is not the case at all; the USA system bears no relation whatsoever to what happens in many countries in some EU countries in which people without exception have obligatory medical insurance and the government regulates the not-for-profit insurance companies, very assiduously.

The insurance companies are based on Christian mutual society principles, they are not intended to create massive profits. And the drug companies are regulated too which means that the price of prescription drugs is often quite modest.

Pregnancy?

Yeah, lets just leave her to suffer, eh🙄

Luxembourg, Germany, Belgium and Switzerland.

What do you mean about private A&E; they take down your mandatory insurance number as you are wheeled in. All of your health history is immediately accessed on line within about 3 mins. It’s very efficient.

No, simply pointed out that you have moved your argument to a particular instance of an unknown substance being injected when I have been referring to botched botox in general.

Err the article linked in the OP is about fake botox...

Your gleeful response it like when the Americans declared victory in Vietnam....and then left.

This clearly sounded much better in your head 🤣🤣

Where did I say it was private health insurance as that term is understood in the UK? It isn’t. And I agree you have to look at the entire tax system!

No, simply pointed out that you have moved your argument to a particular instance of an unknown substance being injected when I have been referring to botched botox in general.

Your gleeful response it like when the Americans declared victory in Vietnam....and then left.🙄

The nhs is its own worst enemy. Drs wont see u so a&e gets flooded.

Missed appointments because letters and texts arrive AFTER the appointment people didn't know about

Unable to leave without prescriptions even though you just had refills you ordered and will order again when necessary.

Medicine you dont need continually added to prescriptions despite constantly asking to have them removed. Paracetamol can be bought cheaply anywhere stop giving it to me.

Refusal to look at the big picture so constantly treating symptoms rather than causes must add up more long term with constant appointments etc.

There's not much that could not be considered self inflicted. Its an extremly slippery slope to start a list of ehats acceptable stupidity/risk taking/exposure and what isn't

The whole thread sums up the problem of a system free to all at the point of access. Either it’s free to all or a lot of unfair judgements are made. Or everyone needs insurance. Maybe something called National Insurance? Except that doesn’t cover the cost of course!

You have moved from the general to the particular.

So you don't have an answer 👍🏾

Plus you can ski in England (Lake District) & then there are dry slopes.

You have moved from the general to the particular.

Yes it’s amazing how the rest of the world functions perfectly well with appointments, email, text etc but not the NHS. Considering this is the system we are hoping will save our lives!!!

Lots of my friends have had ski accidents abroad with multiple appointments and treatments once home.

Actually won’t the skiers be treated wherever the mountains are? So only a problem in the Cairngorms. But I suppose there’s a follow-up for fractures when they are home.

The appointment system is a joke. I had one rescheduled to a date I was on holiday, phoned asap to reschedule. Then get a letter saying I have been removed for failed attendance, took a long phone call for them to see that I actually had rescheduled. I also was sent about 4 texts saying "Do not come to the hospital, this is a phone appointment". Get a call from the consultant asking where I am. I don't understand how it's so shit.

@logicisall but why is someone who skis deserving of health treatment but someone injected unknowingly with a substance not? What is the difference?

I agree about the appointments.

We missed one the other week because the letter arrived 20 mins before the appointment then you cant get through to tell them. Local trust only uses 2nd class post saying text reminders are sent except the text system is erratic and doesnt always work and as its a central booking system it's not anyone's responsibility to think "that letter wont ever get there in time maybe I'll phone them to let them know "