Wasting NHS resources

And yet half of us will get cancer in the end as our bodies age.

Lung cancer can be caused by smoking but I’ve known people who have never smoked and have got it. Nothing is guaranteed.

The smugness of some people blaming others for their illnesses is repulsive.

NHS can should do it when they have time but she should pay for it.

Or wait until its life threatening and remove her lips. 🤐😗

Do you get your hair coloured? Get manicures? Wear makeup? Get facials? What if you paid your hard earned money for one of these treatments in good faith but the person performing the service used an ingredient they shouldn’t have and you had a reaction to it?

Hairdressers have to do a patch test before colouring.

And all these treatments are actually well tested, relatively cheap and very widely available... even as home kits. The only risk one takes is allergic reactions which can be nasty, but are only in extreme circumstances deadly.

Botox injections are different, they are not just surface applications. Botox is a highly toxic substance that has the potential to kill anyone if handled carelessly.

I think they should charge a fee, at least cover the NHS costs.

Imho, the NHS needs a root and branch overhaul re funding, service provision and value for money. as unfortunately, it can't be all things to all men.

Nobody shames cancer patients for getting sick - stop shaming diabetes patients

I actually think a narrative has developed somewhat that if you get cancer it's because you were unhealthy, I've even seen it on MNs.

By taking a deposit up front or as @XenoBitch suggested, charging and then refunding upon attendance.

Here’s an idea: make the NHS available to all under 18’s, all those in education or other training beyond 18, all disabled people, all those that have contributed for more than 10 years, but are now unable to work, and all those making NI contributions in regular employment.

What about older people who may not have had 10 years of contributions?

Anything cosmetic should be paid for privately. Any botched cosmetic should be corrected privately. You don’t need Botox, and it’s not an accident having it pumped into your skin.

Here’s an idea: make the NHS available to all under 18’s, all those in education or other training beyond 18, all disabled people, all those that have contributed for more than 10 years, but are now unable to work, and all those making NI contributions in regular employment.

In most of these cases the problem is idiots trying to get it done cheap by people that aren't qualified

Yes, if it was as easy as “go on a diet” we’d all be perfect and live forever! Nobody shames cancer patients for getting sick - stop shaming diabetes patients! Some of it is the luck of the draw and some also due to other factors. It’s appalling the prejudice shown.

Yes but a significant proportion of people with type II have other illnesses such as severe depression, as with a family member of mine, who was bereaved in very traumatic circumstances, or they have a disability, eg my cousin who had spinal surgery. Their diabetes type II arose out of situations that were totally outside of their control in other words.

That’s not to say that that gives them licence to give up all of their personal responsibility for their weight and lifestyle habits, but it’s not just as easy as “go on a diet”.

Ha tip of the iceberg, the procedures like this are nothing compared to what is happening day to day.

My drs were trying so* *hardnot to see me thry mis diagnosed me over the phone cost me money on medication I didnt need and I ended up at a&e and cost thousands wlcos I ended up with a ct scan. And I had to pay again for the.meds I did need.

I used to take care of an elderly person
Asked every hospital visit to remove the paracetamol but they kept handing it out. I organised all her prescriptions but they'd keep us in hospital after they said she would be discharged and we waited hours every time as we had to have a new set of medication despite bringing in hwr stuff from home . I said id organise when needed but even if it was full boxes they would not let me take her home until we were given new stuff.

Then it would be wrong so id have to get it changed.

Must add my drs is famous for being like fort knox. You can't get through on the phone. Now they want you to do e consult so you can't access an appointment if yoir Internet at work is patchy or has blocked the site

If you got injured committing murder the NHS would treat you. It's a very slippery slope when we start to limit who we treat. The cost effective approach is applied equally to all.

Do you get your hair coloured? Get manicures? Wear makeup? Get facials? What if you paid your hard earned money for one of these treatments in good faith but the person performing the service used an ingredient they shouldn’t have and you had a reaction to it? If your scalp started burning and hair falling out because someone used a knock off product? Should the NHS turn you away because your injuries were “self inflicted”?
You really are blaming the wrong person in this whole scenario. The case in this example is an argument for regulation of these services, not an excuse to blame the individual who was harmed.

If you are forced to have a prescription on "leaving" - leaving where? The GP? Never happened to me but if so just say no. Or don't make it up. Or then you get to request your normal refills later so it is still the same amount of medication,costing the same amount.....

Again there is nuance. My aunt had a severe stroke and has other health issues. She is on a concoction of drugs. It's delivered to her and has been wrong for a variety of reasons, the waste is shocking. Imagine if that is extrapolated to millions of people.

Paracetamol can be bought cheaply anywhere stop giving it to me.

I was asked to buy my own paracetamol after a CS. I didn't mind re the cost but I would have liked the heads up. I was in pain and could have done with some on me.

Why is procurement so bad in the NHS? How can supermarkets pay paracetamol cheaper?

Britain doesn’t train enough GPs. That’s a big problem. Then we import them from the rest of the world. A problem for other countries and also for us.

Really?
There is a crisis in Primary care - GPs only have so many appointments available and they can't see everyone if there is no time.So it isn't "won't" ( and on our local FB there is a shedload of people moaning about "no appointments" - we manage,not always easy but possible,so what their problem is who knows)

If you are prescribed paracetamol and would rather pay - then don't fill the prescription,it's not rocket science.
If you are forced to have a prescription on "leaving" - leaving where? The GP? Never happened to me but if so just say no. Or don't make it up. Or then you get to request your normal refills later so it is still the same amount of medication,costing the same amount.....

The missed appointments bit valid though it'd be interesting to know what percentage of total appointments made this applies to.It might be a tiny proportion ( still shouldn't happen)
Not looking at the big picture? And we are probably right back to not enough GPs etc etc

But your original point was that you felt people should contribute more - a fiver a go say, to top-up the services - but you went on to say that top earners should not use these services…
Given we have the NHS model in the uk, I think we should fight vehemently to threats to it. This includes injecting divisive tiering or gatekeeping of it by means or otherwise.

Smoking is 100% bad for you. Even so, I’d want my DD who I love to be treated for its effects. She hasn’t listened to my warnings.

Obesity is more of a side-effect of modern life.

If certain people are denied treatment then they would have every right to demand their taxes back!

Drugs, I'll grant you.
The other two are heavily taxed activities that go at least someway towards the cost of any treatment.

Once you start to decide who is worthy of health care it will be the start of its dismantling.

Exactly & there's nuance. Some cosmetic treatments can be beneficial eg sweating & in your example jaw clenching. Plus there may be mental health benefits, it's too slippery a slope for me.