Break in at Brize Norton two jets damaged

The damaged engine will have to be stripped down and checked.Aviation procedures are strict and have to be adhered too it's not going to be a quick once over and off you go .

Any paint was in the exhaust. A jet exhaust that burns at 600 degrees C. Someone will check the engines out and it will be fine. Won't need a new engine. People huffing about it but it really is a poor security problem. Good news is it was a couple of people on ebikes with paint not some suicide bombers or foreign agents with Novichok nerve agent.

Have you seen it confirmed what the damage with crowbars was?

You want to go up in that plane after your quick fix?

Alltheprettyseahorses · Yesterday 18:13
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"There is no genocide in Gaza ffs,"

Ffs there is a genocide in Gaza being live streamed daily before our eyes. And our Government are complicit.

We have people pulling stunts like this here in Ireland at Shannon Airport. Which the Americans have used as a transit hub for munitions , victims of torture and so on. Ireland is supposed to be neutral , so more luck to them I say.

People did this back in the day at Greenham Common , they have been vindicated by the later disasters in Afghanistan and Iraq, Libya and Syria which resulted in millions of refugees. It would be interesting to hear the views of Reform voters on the latter subject.

I see you didn't address my first point.

Govem that I guess it'd pretty clear now that the idea is direct action on anything that flies in a military paint scheme is ok, , because it must be "bad", even if it is an aircraft that might be used to directly assist UK citizens in the event of an evacuation...

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, I suppose it would be more 'dangerous' inasmuch as running the risk of incurring custodial sentences is concerned; those women -Andrea Needham, Joanna Wilson, Lotta Kronlid and Angie Zelter- were remanded in custody for months before eventually being acquitted by a jury after a week long trial on the grounds of defense that they were acting to prevent British Aerospace and the British Government from aiding and abetting genocide.
Many who engage in direct action believe this is a risk worth taking.

Yes agree with you on that

Unfortunately it just illustrates the massive vulnerability of the UK. There simply isn’t the funding to secure our key sites
properly. More critically, it’s just not “British” to take these thing seriously. In other
countries they would have been shot dead for trespassing on a military base. Here everyone knows we are way too soft to put it simply. It would be incredibly easy for Russia to critically damage the UK if it ever came
to that.

TBH I'd be slightly more impressed if the vandals had actually gone after a fighter or similar, rather than trying to ground those aircraft that might be needed if there's a requirement to British nationals out of e.g Cyprus.

But going after an actual combat aircraft might have been a bit risky, especially at some bases....

There may be some use for the North face/Nike brigade that tend to own such dog's.

Brings to mind the women of Seeds of Hope who disarmed a BAE Hawk warplane in 1996 which was bound for export to Indonesia for use in the illegally occupied East Timor.

We're complicit until we're not; there are ways in which we can all make it harder for our government to support oppressive and war-mongering regimes. Maybe criminal damage is outwith most people's realm of acceptability, but it doesn't mean we have to sit by and watch carnage unfold.

So you think it"s pretty trivial, just a case of burning fuel off a few turbine blades and exhaust components,.then slapping some thinners on some other parts of the airframe (some of components of which might not appreciate that..)?

There will be a bit of expensive work to do for sure, It"ll cost the defence budget but I'm sure HMG will want to demonstrate they can keep calm and carry on, so I don't think the aircraft will be down for too long.

BTW some of the comments about the Group Captain are starting to sound like blaming the victim...FWIW if she does "go" and the chain of command above her remains intact IMHO she will have been thrown under the bus by her superiors, and that includes some politicians.

Could be a useful task for surplus XL bullies.

Some paint in the jet exhaust. That will get burnt off in 1 second. No one went in the planes nor damaged any control surfaces. Had they been real saboteurs it would have been different. It's costs tens of thousands to put one of those planes in the air so some thinners for the paint cost nothing. The fact that access to military assets was so easy is the real story. The head of security and the base commander are prob packing their bags today.

The majority of the population of the world support the Palestinians having their own state and abhor this war so I don’t think anyone’s worried about changing the opinion of those who can watch two years of slaughter without even thinking about it

Recently I posted about the threat from drones to assets on military bases

Turns out you don't need drones, you just need to some wire cutters

...They do..if you have enough...

But it's not just dogs, you need handlers, and there's the costs involved in continued support for both.

It's too early for another diatribe from me, so lets just say the underlying problem here is that for 30 years plus the politicians of all political persuasions (and a lot of tax payers) have found defence spending unattractive and so, a few niche areas aside, a lot of HM Forces capabilities have been allowed to decay.

Re defence, has the cost of German Sheperds escalated? Old fashioned, but works well in situations like this.

If caught and convicted of damaging a multi million pounds military asset ,I would imagine that's a jail sentence.

They sprayed red paint into the jets, so it's pretty bloody obvious the jets have been tampered with and will need a full check of their engines/systems before flying again.

Had they broken in and tampered with the jets without leaving vast amounts of red paint everywhere then left, YES! I'd be a lot more concerned.

It's a huge security issue.

Thankfully they left a fucking big red clue not to use the jets.

So NO I'm not concerned. The RAF technicians will go over the planes with a fine-toothed comb to check for damage before they start the engines/clear them for flight.

It's pretty obvious it's going to be more than a bucket of soapy water and a sponge.

HTH.

It can be made much harder, but it requires an investment up front. As you noted upthread, air bases are big. In the U.S., a 20 mile perimeter wouldn’t be unusual. You need technology to secure it effectively - CCTV systems, motion detection, infrared sensors, etc. And you need trained personnel on duty to react to alarms and patrol key areas.

Army bases have the same security challenges.