It's gone 10pm and the neighbours are still making noise in the garden

Also, wasn’t it fairly dark at 10pm? Hardly lovely and sunny.

Mumsnet is so bizarre about noise. It’s the only thing people aren’t uptight about but in reality it’s so intrusive! People should be more considerate of the effect it has on those around them. YANBU.

What sort of noise were they making? Talking? Or music? Drunken screaming? It all depends.

I don’t think anyone is denying OP’s experience. She’s up at 5 and her neighbours are still enjoying their garden at 10pm. That’s fact. The disagreement is regarding what’s reasonable and what’s not. And while not denying the OP her very real experience, I think if the neighbours are just making a level of noise expected from the enjoyment of their garden on a lovely sunny evening, then it’s unreasonable to expect them to curtail that activity as early as 10pm. Consideration works both ways. If they’re truly making excessive noise, instead of complaining to MN why doesn’t OP politely ask them to tone it down a bit and explain she has to be up early, instead of lying there seething.

Blaring music and screeching and hollering is unacceptable at any time imo. If people want to listen to blaring music they should wear bloody earphones.

If you’re expecting your neighbours to come in out of the garden at 10pm on a beautiful sunny evening because you’re up early for work, then I think you’re the one who needs to have a bit more consideration. If they’re playing loud music that’s a different matter, but just generally enjoying their garden - no YABU.

Depends what noise OP.

Blaring music out = unacceptable (it is at any hour)

Screeching and hollering = Also unacceptable past 10pm in my opinion.

Just sat chatting in the garden on a hot stuffy day in the cool? Making normal noises as you would moving around and interacting with people = I think that’s fine

By that argument no one should make any noise, ever, as someone is always one or two hours from their alarm. Some people work nights/weekends too!

10pm isn't too late, i doubt they're even being that loud. When I worked shifts I hated my neighvour having a huge summer house built with works starting at 7am but I just had to put up with it because that's what comes with living alongside others.

It was a nice evening and I get neighbour noise can be irritating but they’re doing absolutely nothing wrong! It isn’t anybody else’s problem that you have to be up at 5am. If someone worked nights you wouldn’t be quiet all day in your garden to allow them to sleep in silence.

Which is sad, really, because I remember a time when British people weren’t. I don’t know exactly what has happened over the span of my lifetime but we seem to have gone from a society where people thought about the feelings of others over their own to an entirely selfish ‘fuck you, I’ll do whatever I like and if you don’t like it that’s your problem’ mentality. I miss manners.

Exactly. Being considerate goes both ways and there is nothing wrong with ‘enjoying the weather’ with a bit of hard rock music at 5am to get the party started nice and early 😂

Well great but what about all the kids that need to get up for school, and in many cases do exams, are they a minority too? Noisy, inconsiderate behaviour disrupts them at night also.

'Only' 10 o'clock?! For me, 10 o'clock is often bedtime. If the noise outside is just chatter, fair enough. But loud music or screaming kids is inconsiderate at that time. I'm an early riser. Would it be fair of me to mow my lawn at 6am because that's when I'd like to make the most of this sort of weather?

We sat in our garden until gone 10 last night. Music very very low and chatting quietly. I hope we didn’t disturb our neighbours. Nobody else was in their gardens around here. I find it odd!

It’s unusual to get the sort of weather where you can sit out that late without a hoody on. Even sunny days often have chilly evenings.

Not necessarily.
I personaly could for example sleep through car/train noise/road, but people noise keeps me awake no matter how tired I am.

I had an issue with a noisy neighbur once and also missed alarms because of earplugs, mostly ebcause I was so exhausted going to bed late because of the noise so I get OPs anxiety they wont be able to wake up on time.

Proper summer weather isn't that usual or remotely guaranteed, so people want to be outside enjoying it.

I think calling others inconsiderate for being <gasp> in their own gardens at 10pm is unreasonable. It is hardly a regular occurance is it. It will be pissing it down again next week.

I think on the whole, the British are intolerant to noise. For a nation who loves a garden it is quite odd there are so many posts on here complaining about how the neighbours are using theirs.

The OP didn't describe the kind of noise, just expressed her opposition to it and the fact she couldn't wear headphones. Years ago, I used to be frequently woken up around 4:30am by the next door neighbour getting ready for work, doors shutting, car starting etc. I find it laughable to think I could have complained about that. I lived with it until I moved.

Unless the noise is often and anti-social, let folk be.

10pm is not late, it's still bright here at that time.
It's not your neighbours fault you have to be up at 5am.

After living in numerous house-shares and dodgy areas I taught myself how to sleep through any noise. It is achievable. Even if it’s 20 min napping it helps. I too worked 13 hour shifts and it had to be done.

Thankfully, I am self employed now and only start work when I want to which, now I am in my 50’s (and I am having night sweats) is around 10 to 11 am.

I am on holiday now and there is one little annoying bird who keeps waking me up at the crack of dawn. I use my technique of willing myself to sleep and it works.

10 pm is not late in the summer. The cut off is 11pm and just about acceptable midnight.

I think as others have said as a one off it’s fine- they might be cooling off as it’s boiling inside.

This would annoy me too tbh. I do think most people are winding down at 10pm and making noise outside is inconsiderate at this time imo. I also wouldn’t wake up with ear plugs in and I agree with op that it is just inconsiderate and that at 10pm not on a weekend evening, people should start going indoors if it’s a big gathering!

Unfortunately people are generally clueless about the impact of their behaviour on others. They likely don’t give a shit.

Have you tried white noise? I use a free app called ‘Rain’. It drowns out the noise of inconsiderate assholes quite well.

I understand op, those of us having to wake up early could make just as much noise if we wanted to….

I would drop them a note explaining how tired you are with the very early starts and the heat. Could they keep the noise down mid week if possible in the garden. If they are decent people they will adjust their evenings or be more considerate.

Me too. I've just got in from work and it'll be light in an hour and neighbour above will be stomping around getting ready for work. Earplugs usually do the job and can still hear alarm.

The cutoff is usually 11pm although if they're regularly blasting the tunes in the late evening this could be seen as antisocial.

No one should be commenting on this without information as to whether it's a pattern, which you didn't bother to clarify. Everyone is entitled to an occasional party, if it's irrelevant if you happen to have an unusually early shift.