Should skirt length matter in secondary schools?

I mean if they are flashing then are are flashing. If they aren't showing them they aren't showing them.

Male staff and students should dress appropriately. As should female staff and students. If someone wants to dress in a "revealing manner" then can do it outside in their personal/social life. Not in a professional environment.

'it’s happening because their skirts are too short and people like you have created an environment where teachers are too afraid to say anything '

Oh if only they were too afraid to say anything! As I said previously one dc's teacher told us how she happily passed the weekly skirt length measuring test but then struggled to tell us about their actually academic development. What a sad state of affairs, such skewed priorities.

I think if your son turned up for school in tiny shorts with his bum cheeks hanging out someone would say something.

I have never referred to these girls in any sexualised way, only you have done that. You do know you can flash your knickers unintentionally. I don’t think these girls are purposely coming to school with the intention of flashing their knickers, but it’s happening because their skirts are too short and people like you have created an environment where teachers are too afraid to say anything for fear of being branded a perv who can’t control their ‘urges’.

Plus, the uniform is not correct as the skirt does not conform to the rules, therefore, it should concern the staff.

'You are the only one who has referred to a schoolgirl as a ‘temptress’

Please quote me in context. I said that when you said 'flashing their knickers' it is an awful way to talk about schoolgirls as if they are little temptresses. I also believe that staff and male students should be taught that what girls and women wear should not concern them. As long as colour scheme/school logo is correct.

You are the only one referring to schoolgirls in a sexualised manner. You are the only one who has referred to a schoolgirl as a ‘temptress’. You are the only one alluding to teacher’s not being able to control their ‘urges’. It’s getting quite disturbing to see how you are trying to turn everything sexual. The skirts are so short they flash their knickers unintentionally. I have no issue with summer short skirts or cropped tops, my DD wears both OUTSIDE of school so certainly not uptight. I also never said they SHOULD be in joggers and never even mentioned cardigans so please stop reaching to try and make a point or accusation that simply isn’t there.

'I never see college/uni kids in micro skirts flashing their knickers, just the school kids'

It's such an awful way to talk about schoolgirls as if they're little temptresses 'flashing their underwear'.

Ive seen plenty of college and uni students in summery short skirts plus cropped tops. Good for them not to care that some uptight people things they should be in joggers and cardigans.

But the rules for schools are not the same as college and uni. I actually feel sorry for teachers having to constantly deal with this day in day out when they don’t actually set the rules, they just have to enforce them when parents fail to. Personally I’d rather we scrapped uniform altogether, I’m certain if that happened the girls would come to school in joggers etc just as they do at college. I never see college/uni kids in micro skirts flashing their knickers, just the school kids.

Yes but it is such a shame that they can't think like college and uni teachers and recognise that clothes don't matter but the quality of teaching does.

One of our dc's teachers used to measure skirt length yet at parent evenings used to look at us blankly seemingly to struggle to remember who they were talking about.

It's like they've ve all been brainwashed. Uniform first, teaching second or even 3rd after hairstyles, no no 4th after jewellery.

Congratulations, unfortunately myself and many, many other posters on here have and do see it regularly. Just because you’ve decided it doesn’t happen doesn’t make it true.

I imagine most teachers of today would heavy sign at yet another pointless task they have to deal with rather than actually teaching solely because parents can’t parent their children correctly and ensure they follow the rules.

I've lived and worked in many places and I've never seen secondary school girls sans tights. I remember one school even banned over the knee socks as they were deemed 'inappropriate'.

I don’t know what school your kids go to but most teachers don’t want to see a child’s arse in school either, they don’t have ‘urges’ to control because they are not perverts or paedos.

I remember in the old days older school girls used to wear high heels for school, even <whispers it> shoes that weren't black! I had maroon jesus sandals once. I imagine teachers of today faced with that would need to lie down in a darkened room for a week.

Clearly mega thick tights are not the norm everywhere considering the number of posters on here clearly telling you they can see underwear/arse. And the only urge I have to control is the urge to tell these girls to cover their arse and have some self respect.

Well that is highly unusual. Mega thick tights are usually the norm lest any poor teacher or poor hormal boy has to control their urges.

Nothing has changed

I am in my 70s and as soon as we were out of tunics and in to skirts (3rd form/Year 9) we did exactly the same

Although they were never short enough to show underwear even when bending over!

I do see some skirts that I think are way too short these days

They don’t wear any tights here, Bare legs and bare arses.

'But you are all bombarded with these images by the creepy men who run the internet and you can't see your own oppression'

I'm not oppressed, quite the opposite. I do not believe that school girls have to kowtow to bossy teachers regarding their clothing, it isn't their job, they should teach. College and uni tutors do not concern themselves with clothing.

They all wear suoer5 thick school approved 5000 denier tights so I've no idea how anyone sees their underwear.

So when a teacher says okay you lot, unroll those skirts it's time wasting but when Ellie and Evie say hey you roll your skirt up, you nuns, that's not a waste of time? And note that if the girls didn't roll the skirt up the teachers wouldn't have to ask them to unroll them so it's all down to the kids.

You can't see the "shorts" I'm referring to. Maybe you would agree with the girls they are shorts. To me, it's inappropriate and disrespectful, whatever you call them. But you are all bombarded with these images by the creepy men who run the internet and you can't see your own oppression.

Yes and no.

No because all this measuring with a ruler or threats outside of school or shaming or “distracting the boys” is absolute time wasting bullshit.

Yes , because at some point(and that is easy to see visually , no need for a fucking ruler) it does become impractical . They can’t go up the stairs without holding their skirt with their hand (particularly in the kilt type), much less run and muck about , or go up on the stage for a presentation and plenty of other things. They’re limiting their own freedom.There’s also a lot of peer pressure to do it. While not necessarily mean or nasty , there is pressure to conform and be like everyone else when there’s absolutely no need for it.

Think that 60s look you are referring to was called Baby Doll and really only worn by the models and actresses, not so much everyday women. Remember having a pajama set like it as a child.
It's winter here in New Zealand atm at I see the young girls walking around with about 3 inches of skirt and a crop top and all I can think is "aren't you cold"?

I agree with the concept of uniform for under 16s but hate the skirt thing, so glad my youngest Dd finished year 11 this week so I never have to deal with this skirt length issue ever again!!

'Outside of school they walk around in their knickers. They call them shorts, but they are a single layer of fabric in "full-brief" style.'

They don't walk round in knickers. No matter how short shorts are they are absolutely distinguishable from underwear.

'If teachers should be focused on teaching then pupils should be equally focused on learning, not on their clothes'

But students can be focused on learning regardless of what they wear. Teachers should teach and not concern themselves with skirts.

Mid-thigh is literally what we aspire to in the school I work at.
It used to be strictly policed, and I would occasionally notice a girl whose bag had pulled her skirt up, and when I told them, they'd sort it.

Lately, the girls have got obsessed with this idea that anyone who asks them to lengthen the skirt is a pervert. They do wear them specifically with pants on display, a look that they actually study in textiles (sixties fashion). The school seemed to stop sanctions for a while, and it felt like it was just me. The girls quote their mums "you shouldn't be looking at my bum miss". It doesn't seem to occur to them that those who enjoy seeing their backsides are unlikely to ask them to cover them up.
The topgirls police the other girls' skirts. Anyone with more than an inch of thigh covered gets called a "nun" and harassed mercilessly until they conform or switch to trousers.
Outside of school they walk around in their knickers. They call them shorts, but they are a single layer of fabric in "full-brief" style.
If teachers should be focused on teaching then pupils should be equally focused on learning, not on their clothes. It's the girls that are obsessed. They're not liberated. There is no individuality. Some of them look like Upsy-Daisy, others like they forgot to finish dressing.