Should skirt length matter in secondary schools?

@Gloriia just thinks she’s being all smart.

hey @Gloriia why don’t you turn up to work the next time you’re there with your arse hanging out your skirt and see how long it takes for someone to raise an eyebrow. Then you can be all indignant, self righteous and offended that folk aren’t blind and will notice these things and it doesn’t make us perverts.

if It smells like bullshit ….

Skirts on the knee look so scruffy to me. They look big, thick & long, then you have the knee high socks and then a bulky blazer over looks so drabby! All girls are different sizes and shapes it’s impossible to have skirts at the same lengths.

today in my dd school because of the weather they were allowed in with their pe kit which is a skort and top or non branded shorts. The skorts are short on every girl so most went in non branded cycling shorts. They all got put in isolation. The girls were made to turn around in front of teachers to I’m inspect what their bums looked like. The skinner girls were let off the girls with bigger bums were put in isolation. Boys were allowed to wear shorts which were branded and tops which were branded. Luckily my dd had her skort in her bag and it was a lot shorter than the shorts. The rules for girls compared to boys are considerably higher.

But the OP said mid length thigh. I really don't think any office I have worked at would regard a tartan, so not tight presumably, mid thigh length skirt in the summer (or any time) as an issue or inappropriate, it isn't the dark ages. I think mich of this is hyperbolic, that's the length I see most of the time, I've only ever seen two girls that were skiving in my local supermarket and they looked 16 ish with the shocking length you talk of.

How? They are literally part of everyone’s body. How can you possibly walk around and not see the lower half of any person? Unless you are blind or visually impaired or simply staring at the sky as you walk. I think what you actually mean is you don’t actively look at young girl’s arses. Neither do I and I suspect most if not all people on here don’t either, however, when they are in front of you with their lower arse cheeks on show you can’t not see that. That doesn’t mean we are all looking at girl’s arses anymore than we are looking at anything else in our line of vision.

Rules are rules, and even if off school property they are still in uniform and represent the school. A few inches is not going to make any difference to her in terms of temp.

There was a scandal just up the road from the local secondary school when a man in a car was found masturbating at a pull in opposite the school bus stop. He was a successful business man. The staff said that he would often pop out around 3 pm without explanation. Yuk

Mine turns hers up once so that when she sits down the fabric doesn’t touch her skin. She wears cycling shorts underneath.

But schools seriously need to get over themselves with their approach to uniform.

Being a frump isn't against the school rules.

Schools are very much behind the average workplace if they are imagining offices have very formal work wear and measure skirt length!

You know full well that nobody is suggesting most offices have very formal work wear or measure skirt length 🙄.

Are you suggesting that there wouldn't be quite a lot of workplaces where the employer might have a quiet word with an employee for wearing very revealing clothes to work?

what misogyny?

If boys decided to wear shorts showing their butt cheeks, they would not be allowed either.

Skirt length absolutely do matter. Time and a place. Most office dress code do not allowed clubbing outfits. And rightly so.

I’m not a fan of strict school uniform rules but mid thigh or higher is a bit silly. My teen DD’s skirts have been ridiculous at times and I did have to ban her from wearing one this winter because I could see the crotch bit of her tights!
Personally I would get rid of skirts as school uniform and go for plain black trousers for all

i understand why girls roll up their skirts, my own daughters do this. And girls always have. But some take it to extremes. Why do they do this and why don’t parents have any say or don’t care? Why should it be left to the school to try to enforce some rules to provide the girls who take it to extremes with a bit of dignity.

and I don’t buy this “well you shouldn’t be looking”. I don’t actively look but that doesn’t mean I don’t notice.

You seem to be intentionally missing the point . It’s not misogyny to want girls to have a modicum of decency in a school. If skirt length doesn’t matter then should we let them all come in naked? That wouldn’t affect the quality of teaching either.

I don't want to see boys in school wearing very short skirts or shorts either.

Also - again - do you think most employers allow or should allow very very short skirts? Is it misogynist of them not to? Or is it, perhaps, just a perfectly normal and reasonable dress code?

That literally doesn't happen in many workplaces at all. Schools are very much behind the average workplace if they are imagining offices have very formal work wear and measure skirt length! Boys can actually wear the school skirt at my teenagers' school.

I actually think uniform is a waste of time and where I live you don't see this huge shift to skimpy clothes in the sixth form college, in fact it appears to be baggy jeans, fairly practical, lots of jewellery but in an office you wouldn't ban jewellery like in a school.

YABU the uniform policy is there schools business , if you don’t like the policy find a different school .

I don't look at young girl's arses.

And even odder that this poster is claiming that it's the people saying no to short skirts who are being accused of wanting to look at girls' arses. Logic is clearly not their strong suit.

I'm absolutely not on the wind up I just loathe all the misogyny about 'arse cheeks hanging out'. Skirt length should not matter, quality of teaching should and I know which concerns me more.

They all go to college after gcses and guess what, they wear what they like and college tutors don't seem ro have an attack of the vapours at the sight of a short skirt.

The mindset behind a strict uniform code is that if they are rebelling about skirt length or tucking a shirt in then they feel Iike they have broken a rule (which doesn’t really matter). Schools where the uniform is awful have generally lost a bit of control & instead of rebelling over a short skirt they’re vaping in the loos or having fights. Head of Michaela School did something on it.

As a middle aged secondary school teacher I don’t like seeing someone’s pants - it’s not just boys or male teachers. Sometimes you literally can’t avoid it.

There are loads of girls on TikTok in school uniform with grandad age men commenting on their short skirts. Personally I think it would be best to avoid showing your pants off on TikTok.

https://x.com/miss_snuffy/status/1796136201780412620?s=46

My view is that dress codes and things are standard and sensible at school. Dress respectfully at school. If you want to rest boundaries and be skimpy....... That's a place for outside of school in the teen's personal life.

Believe me a lot of the girls round here most definitely have their arse cheeks out, not the whole arse obviously but enough. If you don’t have that in your neck of the woods then you're lucky.

@Gloriia its very strange that you think it’s appropriate for young girls to have their backside hanging out of their skirts. Very odd indeed.

Of course I know why they want to roll their skirts up. I too have been a teenage girl. I was merely exasperatedly suggesting that they could maybe stop claiming it's 'unimportant', since they clearly think it is important.

Anyway, presumably you think all employers should let their adult female employees wear skirts up to their knickers too, since you think nobody should care about what anyone else wears?

I largely don't care what they wear - hence being in favour of ditching uniform. But I'm not a fan of knickers on display or very nearly on display. When it's non-uniform day they all seem to wear joggers. Not a short skirt in sight!